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VAR hasn't cut out the mistakes that it was meant to, so by that metric alone, it has failed. Factor in the sheer nonsense of the time it takes to make a decision, which sucks all enjoyment out of the games, then it has been an unmitigated disaster. Outwith what we see in games involving either of the cheeks, I think mistakes by refs were part of the game and usually evened themselves out over a season. For me, VAR can get to fuck and when it reaches its destination, it can fuck right off again.

Too many moving parts for them to solve this easily. Combination of piss poor referees who aren’t paid a full time wage to do the job and then players who are hell bent on gaming the system every minute of every game without punishment makes competence and quality difficult to find. Add to that the cheap shit tech we have invested in and you are pushing water up a hill with a fork. What pisses me off is that VAR is basically a construct introduced to appease the big money investments in the game. Those who put their cash in are less and less prepared to throw the game to chance and want certainty in outcomes. They seem to have stumbled on exactly the opposite. Money has fucked the game.

Not as big a name here as he was in the States, where he was huge. Worked with a guy years ago who was a big fan of his music and tried to get me into him and other stuff like Styx, Boston and REO Speedwagon, but just not ever been my thing. The guy I worked with, I don't think I'll ever see a record collection like that again. Thousands upon thousands of LPs, Singles, CDs, Tapes and even Eight Tracks (I shit you not). Dressed like a tramp and had no other interests, bar his music. He was married with two kids, but his music still came first. He counted everything by the value of records. If he went out for a drink, each pint was the price of a single. If he bought a round, it was an album. Needless to say, he didn't go out much. When Fopp opened years ago and started selling CDs at about £5, the collection got even bigger. I discovered last year that he died around 2017, aged just 62. Would love to know what happened to his collection. Remembering his Wife, there was a good chance she burnt them. He gave me, amongst other records, the first four Led Zeppelin albums, when I was 16. All originals, one of them is supposedly quite a rare edition. Never played them as have never been my cup of tea. The only album he ever gave me that I liked, was the 49p tapes by Faust, because I like all that experimental shyte (his words). All that brought on by the Peter Framton post by Al.

The first two albums by German group Neu! were given an outing today. Sounded excellent. First time I'd listened to them in a while

Status Quo - Down Down

Paul Young - I'm Going To Tear Your Playhouse Down

Disagree. The boundary for clear and obvious is a person's eyes and brain working together to make the judgment. I can usually tell on the first replay whether a decision is correct. 2bh 10 seconds to make the call is generous and you could argue 5 would be enough. Regardless though it would stop the re refereeing of the game from the VAR official because they simply wouldn't have the time to. No big delays and yet still able to bail the ref out when they have had a mare is what fans wanted from Var in the first place. The Lazetic goal is actually a good example as it's a really tight call. It's certainly not instantly obvious whether he's on or off and var officials would soon learn to not even bother looking at decisions like that imo. They would instinctively know there's no point poring over millimeters because they would never have the time to come to a conclusive decision. If that was the case your prediction of fans counting down is unlikely 2bh (aside from the fact that to do so they would need to know when the var ref actually started watching replays... ) as on marginal calls the var ref would not need to use the allocated time to say "play on". We get it Rico, you don't like VAR. It's unlikely to be going anywhere though and getting the rid of the big delays would make it easier to live with.

Tammy wynette - I dont wanna play house

That's just as shite as VAR itself and solves nothing. Clear and obvious isn't defined by a time limit (because it cannot be defined by boundary). The first time the VAR cunts missed an incident that one of the scum was adamant was clear and obvious, but they couldn't get the camera angles in time, they'd change your arbitrary 20 seconds to 30 seconds, and so on. They'd rush to make a decision like last night's handball and just say it was handball because it hit the player's hand, and it's much, much quicker to spot handball, or "contact" rather than attempt to determine whether a foul has actually been committed. To be honest, it's one of the most cringey versions of VAR anyone could possibly think of. Imagine us all, sitting on the edge of our seats after every goal, perhaps counting down the 20 seconds with big grins on our faces, awaiting the result of our newly manufactured excitement. The players might do a huddle, Sky will give us a quick word from the VAR sponsors. As for most VAR calls, last night I sat in my seat with any excitement draining by the second. I genuinely couldn't have given a fuck what the outcome of any of the calls was by the time they were made. I don't need, or want, a manufactured "second cheer" after hearing the decision. I instantly assumed Lazetic was offside - as did the player - and didn't celebrate his first. None of this is removed by the 20 second rule. VAR is shite. It will always be shite. It is shite by definition. It cannot operate on subjective calls, and there aren't enough offsides in the world that could make it worthwhile for that either. I wish people would stop suggesting "ways to make VAR better". It's a completely flawed concept, which everyone knew in advance.

Whether fans blame him or not my feeling was when seeing him at ft on wed that I think he defo blames himself. What's most frustrating for me is I thought he looked far more like himself against Livi. If he has a poor game against Dundee then you could argue he should probably be dropped for a few games as his confidence will be shot.

As I said earlier in this thread Sweden implement VAR best. They simply don't recognise it

Or at Uefa and Fifa

Your clutching at straws if you think the clowns that run the game in Scotland could possibly approve something so sensible

Nice to see this one selling well. As Ajja says, just hope we somehow find that balance between attacking and defensively sound football. They’re a bit hard to predict at the moment, but there isn’t a reason why we shouldn’t get a result if we play any sort of logical system and line up. I know some feel mitov is getting undue stick, but he really needs to cut this flapping out. Hes been like this all season and it has cost us.

I sometimes pay attention to the ashes score but that's about it. When I was in the airforce one weekend a couple of pals took me to the pub to watch the ashes promising they would explain the rules. I was really surprised when they massively spat the dummy 20 minutes in on realising I was supporting Australia. My Welsh pal who was also with us said the look of disdain I gave them when they told me I should be supporting England was glorious. It still makes me chuckle thinking about it.

Typically in the end, it probably helped us, which is a dirty thing to say, but it’s still nice to have the caravan dwellers below us. Where they belong.

Fingers crossed, pretty bonkers start again, but managed to steady the ship in the end and pleased for Root. Been a long time coming.

Bobby Brown - Two can play that game

Frankie Goes to Hollywood - Two Tribes

A countdown clock would be a very easy way to make VAR significantly better. If you can't tell if it's an error within ten seconds of seeing replays then it's not clear and obvious, play on.

It takes three minutes to read the rules and work out what the fuck they actually mean. Clear and obvious has no defining boundaries and can't ever be quantified, which is the single most important reason why VAR can never, and could never, work. There is no such thing as clear and obvious as a state. It doesn't exist. Unless you change the rules so that all contact= foul, all contact with hand = handball, all players offside are offside (regardless of whether interfering with play etc). The handball rule has been changed to fit the technology. There is no reason why the rest can't be changed too by the powers that be.

Been contemplating that exact point (score goals/leak goals) today as it’s the obvious reach. I’m increasingly of the view that the fundamental flaw in Thelins set up is 2 guys trying to hold down midfield combined with aggressively high FBs. It seems to be the root of our problems. When we ‘go for it’, we are ruthlessly exposed here and the backline start to buckle. It’s been said many times before but without the right personnel in that middle two, if we open up we will concede. I guess the question is can we score more than we lose.

U2 - Two hearts

I mean it was the very definition of late consolation

Queen - Death on Two Legs