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Do you not think signing Gogic and Mandron, will turn our season around? Joking aside, it wouldn't surprise me.

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Robinson's St Mirren went into last season's semi-final with three defeats and a draw, then gave Motherwell a seeing to at Hampden. Then, they had five games before the final. They lost three, drew one, won one. Then inexplicably didn't just beat Celtic at Hampden, but actually gave them a bit of a doing. And then, Robinson won just two out of the next 14 league games before getting the Aberdeen job. And now, in 20 league games at Pittodrie, has won only six. If Aberdeen win on Saturday in 90 minutes, Robinson will have won the same number of cup games at Aberdeen as league games. If you count pens, then it will be more. He's been the manager for nearly nine months. Honestly, I wouldn't put it past us to beat Rangers at Hampden, then fail to win a game again until December.

Have a ticket for this but cannot motivate myself to go. Cannot see anything other than a real doing coming our way.

I’m 100% behind cormack. It’s the yank in me. He’s willing to spend money and take risks. He wants to be successful and will gamble, he’ll listen to feedback and try to hire those who can do their job. Why aren’t man utd successful? Chelsea? Spurs? Newcastle? Why didn’t Liverpool win after klopp, they had it all. Why don’t they all win every year? Why can’t they all keep managers? All have a ton of money. It’s not easy. If forming a football club structure was simple we’d have mastered it, as would many a club. So many clubs do things differently. How many teams win season after season, how many clubs sack managers. How many consistently successful managers are there? Not many. Take Celtic, the money they have received in recent years, they should win the league by 20 or more every year. They shouldn’t really drop any points domestically. Even they have their struggles, their set up, their manager. They struggle, going backwards in europe it seems, it’s just a different struggle to us, but their fans aren’t happy either. Across the way at Mordor, go on a bad run and Mcinnes wouldn’t see the season out. It’s possible. We’re failing right now but I credit cormack for not sticking with Mcinnes. He wanted more. Mcinnes staying and funding him would have been safe. But he wanted more, he saw that Mcinnes was limited. But more isn’t easy. It’s painful going through this but moving away from cormack, like moving away from Mcinnes, guarantees nothing. Curious to start reading the new manager thread again. Prob should be warming that up.

My point is actually still the same. I'll explain it. He didn't go out and scout and sign 15 players, the recruitment team found the majority of these players. So no, I don't blame Robinson if Mahou can't kick his own arse. However, he decided to overhaul the squad. He moved on Shinnie, Cameron, Keskinen, Jensen, Kjartansson, Mitov. There are players at the club in Devlin, Palaversa, Frame that don't kick a ball. Instead, he said "sign me more players". He wanted a new squad, he has got a new squad. If you're doing that then you need to have a plan in place, but he has spent the season constantly changing his mind what to do with them. It's that much of a mess that I actually think we were in a stronger position at the end of last season. So yes, he has brought in 15 players, that's correct. No, the standard isn't all down to him. But while some just don't look good enough, some look like they could actually be pretty handy if better coached and playing in a system they catered to their strengths. Armstrong, Smith, Nisbet, Ronan in particular are all good players, but doing nothing under Robinson. So yes. This is his squad. This is on him.

If he gets more time he’ll get us relegated, just like Goodwin would have. The expectations here are higher than United. That’s just a fact. It’s not us being delusional either, the expectations we have for how we expect the club to perform are perfectly realistic for a club this size in this league with the budget we have. McInnes first 4 years is the benchmark. Decent competitive team, signing decent quality from smaller Scottish teams, finishing high up the league, competing to late stages in cups, generally beating the teams we should beat given the budget advantages and in the main giving the arse cheeks a tough game win or lose. The trouble is, for some reason we keep appointing managers and signing players who are totally incapable of coping with these expectations and delivering them, and who just fold like a cheap suit at the first sign of the pressure coming on…

I remember going to the semi v the huns in the 90s when they had Laudrup and the fg b and thinking there was little chance of success, but that feeling pales into insignificance in 'rela tion to Saturday. The huns aren't very good just now but by fuck we are terrible

Maybe because I've been described as a weirdo, I have less of a gripe with him. Good to be a Charlatans song

I’ve defended Cormack constantly over the last few years and I still say he’ll never get near Milne for utter ineptitude. But His football strategy and managerial appointments have all been a disaster. Doesn’t matter what he’s tried, everyone has been a flop. The one constant through them all has been him, that’s no coincidence. The football strategy has been his (project players etc) and its been a disaster. Now they’ve inexplicably pivoted to an apparent strategy of signing mediocre SPL jobber journeymen. That’s gone well. There’s no defending his handling of the football operation, absolutely none. But he’s going nowhere as nobody’s buying him out. There’s something deeply flawed and wrong with the culture in the club. There has to be for the club to underperform this badly for this long. Now, this issue goes way back before Cormack to Milne’s tenure, but Cormack has managed to do absolutely nothing to change it. I do think Bevington was a genuinely high level looking appointment and I was pleasantly surprised by it so hopefully he can do something to help turn things round cause Cormack isn’t gonna do it…

Lutz said he wanted a high pressing, high intensity, attacking footballing team. We're now approaching nine months with Robinson in the job. We don't look close to any of the above. The recruitment has been poor. That's not all down to Robinson, the last four or five transfer windows have weakened the squad each time. The club said before Robinson was appointed they wanted more Scottish players. But while Hearts signed Penrice and Miller, we signed Cadden, Mayo and Lyons. But what sort of team of Robinson trying to out together? We've gone 4-2-3-1 to 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 to 3-4-3 to 4-1-3-2 to 4-4-2 again. Everything but the 4-3-3 he promised. I know Lyall Cameron split the support, but Robinson discarded him almost as soon as he arrived, and he's been one of the outstanding players of the season so far at Dundee United. Frame doesn't play. Cadden I thought was here to replace Devlin on the bench, not start every game. Olusanya is thrown on at random times to just cause some disruption. Guinness-Walker just flings shite ball after shite ball into the box. I would be very surprised if he turns it around from here. I can't see a game at any point in the near future where I'm in any way impressed with our shape, passing, attacking threat or general play.

As much as I think his time his up what if he does get more time? Look at Goodwin, he’s fair got a tune out of Dundee Utd. We never give managers much of a chance these days.

You’d make a great politician. When I made this very point in another thread back in September your response was “Are they all his signings though? The point of the head coach set up is that recruitment is dealt with elsewhere.” So is it his squad or not?

We have a journeyman average bottom 6 manager, I don’t think that’s unfair. He’s shown nothing to suggest he has the qualities to make us a better than average team at best, and he’s done nothing at all to suggest he is a better than average manager. Don’t see motivation, tactics, creativity, in game adaptability, or a keen eye for a player. In the media, haven’t heard a single thing to suggest he’s deep thinking, creative, intelligent, and in it for the long haul. We replaced an entire squad with players who are the same or worse than we had. We clearly see that. Mitov wasn’t great, both he and muller have their flaws, both are shaky but do make some good saves. Neither are Joe Lewis. Cadden worse than devlin, although devlin is in decline, mayo and happe aren’t an upgrade hence were back to seeing Milne and molloy again, and NGW isn’t an upgrade on McKenzie. Neither is gyamfi, and wtf with frame? We still have no decent wingers, none have started and played a good game. Best has been sub appearances from smith but today sums him up, given a start and nothing. I think Afeez is decent, briedl a bust, Lyons a mediocre squad player, Ronan nothing special at all with injury concerns. Tough to expect a lot from Marshall when there’s no senior quality around him to help him. Up top it doesn’t really matter. Our midfield is so bad the forwards get awful service. I’d compare Mouloua to sokler, he may be decent on a decent team but a combo of nisbet being 9 (like Sokler having miovski) and always being priority, and the lack of game time/consistent time, he’ll never find true sharpness or form. No clue if Ntelo is any good, I assume he was signed to play speedy winger but quickly showed he’s not that, and doesn’t appear better than nisbet Mouloua or olusanya. As for olusanya, we’re such a bad team we expect more than he’s capable of delivering. He should be a scrappy sub for us, nothing more, but we’re so desperate for players we want more than he’s capable. Last point, we have no captain. We were sold on Lyons happe and others being leaders, we had no leader today. No drive from players to inspire us to or drag us to the finish line. Nobody stood up, this team doesn’t seem to have the character we were told. I’m also not a fan of nisbet, early goals give us false hope, and he doesn’t do that much else. I’d even wonder Mouloua and olusanya would be a better front two. In summery, we’re fucked.

He’s a total weirdo which doesn’t help

Thats it right there He needs to go. We can’t allow him another transfer window

God help everyone going down on Saturday. Thoughts & prayers guys…

I just don't get the hate folk have for Cormack. He has made sure managers have sufficient funds to put better teams on the pitch and as a club we are in a better state than we were before he came on board. Various manager have come and gone and other than one day in May nothing has worked. Most folk thought at the time that McInnes's time had come and gone as the fitba was absolutely rancid. He's tried young managers, old managers, the tried and tested Scottish managers, foreign manager. It's not him that puts the team on the park. it's not him that does the tactics, it's not him that makes fuck ups at the back, see Muller, Milne etc. It's not him that misses open goals. So there are far more folk that deserve criticism than him see the current manager and most of the playing staff.

Subbing on Olusanya and Milne was guaranteed to produce a goal.

Yeah times up. His record at smaller clubs was ok, so the question was could he handle the step up. The answer is in and its a resounding no. Completely incapable of managing a club this size. As I said on the match thread, he can own Saturdays humiliation, cause nobody else deserves to have that dumped on them, but straight after that he has to go. Mind you this is the club where a defeat by Darvel isn’t considered a sacking offence so he’ll likely be here a while yet. We’ve all said it before about other squads (pretty much every year recently), but this one is bona fide relegation material. I’ve seen some shite this last 30 years, and this lot are up with the worst of it…

If we didn't have a semi-final on Saturday, I could see Robinson sacked tomorrow. I think Hampden is going to save him. And even then, it might be his last chance. Our home record this season. Hearts 2-1 Rangers 0-1 Kilmarnock 0-0 St Johnstone 0-1 St Mirren 3-1 Falkirk 0-1 Six home games. Four of them we haven't scored in. Even the two we won we didn't play particularly well (maybe give him the second half performance v St Mirren). It's his squad. He brought in 15 players, and doesn't know what to do with them.

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It’s just been diabolical mismanagement of the club. As bad as anything we saw under Milne. What an opportunity absolutely blown. Negligence bordering on the criminal. Let’s hope Bevington has something about him & can somehow help dig us out the hole we’re in, cause no other cunt in that board and front office will…

Casual conversation with pals has had this feeling pop up pretty quickly. Mental that we're here so quickly after the cup win.