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Dinna agree Moog, If all the other shite teams had had to play our schedule and we had 6 easier teams to play, then we would have finished with more than 2 points and well above the likes of red imps etc. It was an unlucky draw not us being shite. We aren't good enough to win the thing but our position was purely down to the luck of the draw.

At least we have a much needed break before utd. I would say we have had our moments in the last month enough to say we are making good progress. We defo seem to be attacking more at least. A big, and very achievable, result on Sunday sets us up nicely for the next run of games. I'm feeling reasonably optimistic about the Xmas fixture list 2bh.

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14 points should be the minimum from those five games.

We can’t go down there and park the bus. Go at them from the off and if we can get the first goal then Celtic could implode with the fans on their backs.

Results (domestically) have picked up since this thread was last active, but not sure we're much more convincing than we have been at any other stage of the season. Next five games:- I would love to come up at the other end of these with a good tally of points, but that's four away games there, at least three at tough venues, and I can't say I'm confident about winning any of them. At least two of them though are after all our new January signings arrive...

But would Thelin survive another 6-0 within two months?

Yeah, it was one of the reasons why I wanted Thelin, because I thought his "long pass" style of play would actually suit Scottish football. Elfsborg usually played a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1, quick transitions, outpaced defences, and their inside forwards were generally the goal scorers. The striker was a mere link up man. But Thelin has moved away from that. When we have been at our best under Thelin, it's been a 4-2-3-1 with a second striker. M**** in the few games he played under Thelin was in that number 10 role, Nisbet did it last season when he had Gueye with him, and together they'd find space for Duk and Morris to run into. Now we have Karlsson on the edge of the box. He waits for an overlap, or cuts inside and takes on three players. Armstrong has to do the same on the right. Whoever is the striker barely touches the ball. I know it wasn't working at the start of the season, and we leaked too many goals and didn't score, so moving to a back three shored things up. However, it'll be interesting to see who he signs in January and what our "style" is in the second half of the season and whether the system changes again.

If it was 6-0 so be it. Would just prove the duds are exactly that. If they can’t get up to “put themselves in the shop window” that’s on them. Also absolutely no harm done to the actual first team. We got away with one last night injury wise as that pitch was absolutely dreadful. Bigger picture / pick yer battles and all that - let’s see what happens Sunday. Can’t help thinking that selection last night won’t do us any favours, though the tactics I expect JT to employ are likely to do more harm to our chances IMO…

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True, but it was an opportunity for Clarkson so say "Despite barely playing this season and being hung out to dry I'll show you what I'm capable of". Instead, to me, his attitude was summed up for their 2nd goal...he was in a lot of space and, with his ability, could have controlled the ball with his chest and belted it upfield, giving us time to reorganize. Instead he made a really dreadful headed "clearance" straight to their player who set up the goalscorer.

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If our recruitment is trying to make us competitive in Scotland and Europe,it seems to be dulling our effectiveness in coping with Scottish fitba,and chasing a standard of football in Europe that I'd say is beyond our means. I'd rather we built a side to win,and be attractive in Scotland,ie non St Mirreny,and who knows it might be more effective in Europe than our current efforts

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I watched the Celtic game on Wednesday. They could have had the game won by half time. Maeda suits the 3-4-3 and Celtic were killing United down the left. I'm not overly confident Devlin puts the brakes on him. In the second half, the turnaround was because United played to their strengths, which is that they are probably the tallest team in the top flight. They got it wide to their wing backs and threw crosses in against a side playing just one recognised centre half. I don't see us beating Celtic the same way. But, you would expect Karlsson should be able to cause Ralston problems - it's why I'm surprised he played the full 90 last night. The likes of Aouchiche and Armstrong should get space to work in though. We'll get chances.

Maybe Nilsen wrote JT a really ace poem on the plane back and will find himself back in contention for Sunday, to replace Shinnie. Joking aside, nothing should surprise us about a Thelin team.

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Just read on the BBC that Sheffield Wednesday, should have a buyer in the next few days... One of the two likely buyers, is Mike Ashley, Sports Direct and ex Newcastle owner. Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.

I think it could be a lot better than it actually is. For starters, the top five leagues should not be in it. Now, only Strasbourg and Rayo Vallencano actually finished in the top five so you could argue it was competitive, but a lot of that was the others - Fiorentina, Crystal Palace and Mainz - knowing they only had to give 75% effort in some games to get through. Palace made 11 changes for their game last night. At full strength they are way too strong for the Conference League. It should be a competition for the rest. You'll still get good games and a decent final. As for Aberdeen, I think it's a good platform to go test ourselves. I enjoyed the Donestsk game for example, and despite the defeat it actually gave us a lift at a time when we badly needed it. The issue for Scottish clubs is they have been going into these group stages when their domestic form has been poor. Hearts had the same last season and Aberdeen had it the year before. The feeling is the domestic form suffers because of Europe, but I think it's an easy excuse. We should have been doing a lot better domestically this season despite the European games.

If the team was even weaker than it was last night, then that 3-0 could have been another 6-0. Thelin had to balance it with giving some players minutes and still being relatively competitive. That said, not sure playing Karlsson for the full 90 minutes was helpful if you plan to play him on Sunday, while Shinnie's 86 minutes suggests he won't play either at a venue where you would quite like your captain being in the face of the referee arguing against every shit decision we're likely to get against us.