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Does any club feature strongly for Scotland? Looking at the last u19s for example, half the players are in England and the rest belong to different clubs. Boyd is in it, as our representative in that regard. I can't find much on the u17s, I'm guessing that Masson and Carrol would be involved, with both at one point rumoured to be off down south too. It seems reasonable to say that we should be well represented, but I don't think anyone is, which suggests that young players are moving around a lot more.

If you go with three as a minimum, then you’ve got Milne and Lobban as you say, who each still have plenty to prove. Ryan Duncan was given a reasonable number of chances but doesn’t seem to have “it”. Then there’s those who fucked off for a better offer like Boyd and a couple of others. There’s also the out on loan crew, out of whom it sounds like Marshall might have a chance. That’s not a great return but similarly it isn’t nothing and suggests we do try to give out young guys a chance. At the risk of repeating myself, it isn’t necessarily the lack of chances for our own youth that’s worrying me, it’s why our own youth aren’t good enough. Look at the Scotland youth squads and we don’t feature anything like as strongly as I think a club of our size should strive to. If they’re at Aberdeen and not good enough for Scotland at age group level then that’s a real concern.

That's class BTW

Or he just follows the rule "don't go back once you've left".

Why give a fuck? Quite apart from pride and bragging rights it makes a direct competitor better off financially and more attractive to any prospective signings. I really can't understand the mindset of Aberdeen fans who want a rival to win the league. It's madness. It also would do nothing to make scottish football better as a whole. It would only improve the lot of whichever club won it. No thanks. ABH.

Of course there will have been youth players that are better than Ambrose or Yengi, but they can be better than our shitest signings without being good enough still. The thing about youth players is that we know whether they are good enough or not (generally speaking), whereas players we've signed are comparatively unknown. Being better than the shite isn't a reason to play youth players, because they might have deficiencies in physical areas, whilst also being not good enough. I'm not totally sure what the benchmark of a successful youth development would be. One player per season? That would mean that you should have two or three minimum that have come through the youth system in the team. We have Milne and Lobban. Probably one short.

We can't bemoan the state of Scottish football and then worry about a non cheek winning it. If it's not us winning it, why give a fuck. It will happen at some point, but not this season. Of course it would be shyte if Hearts were to win it, as a very deluded fan base that don't habit the same planet as the rest of us. Only the jutes are more deluded. Take comfort that if they do win it, we will always be the better club and can also remind them of their FIVE top flight relegation and TWO administrations. They'll also never have two stars on their jersey for winning two European trophies.

I was so nervous watching that, her 2nd jump was unreal Bril competition

Ramadani scores as Lecce win away to Calgary. He's done well for himself there.

He also produced it

Exactly this. Rangers or Celtic winning things is the status quo. It just doesn't register. Not even a tiny scratch. However if anyone else wins a competition it's a body blow to our own reputation as the number one club outwith the Glasgow pair.

It's true that many youths won't go on to make it as a serious professional and we can't always expect to have a steady stream coming in to our first 11 but I genuinely feel that despite all the talk by Dave and the coaches, we have performed even worse than the men's first team currently and that takes some doing. That being said, you never know how good a player is until they get an opportunity and I'm sure there has been countless players that we've let go that have been better than Ambrose, Yengi etc. With regards to not a lot of players kicking on after departing us, well that doesn't always mean they weren't good enough as we have signed players that have been decent in other clubs but when they get to us they have been terrible. Sometimes it's an environment issue, a behaviour issue, being away from home, injuries but not always because they weren't up to scratch.

In a similar vein, I almost always felt worse watching a “wee team” win a cup because when the Tims or the Huns won one then it was expected, whereas any of the rest who aren’t us winning one made me jealous as hell.

I don't think so. Shankland was better before we signed him. He also had the physique that had a chance of making it. Bavidge would be better compared to Anderson.

I know. Fucking kicking myself now.

Shit attitude and needs the boot up the arse of being let go to have a chance of sorting himself out?

For Bavidge. See Shankland.

Spin it another way: which of our youths have gone on to prove us wrong in not giving them a chance or letting them go? You’ve got Anderson at Killie and Ethan Ross at Falkirk, neither of whom would excite the support if we signed them now. The bigger question might be why we’re not producing many youth players of note - which is where English academies poaching players comes in - or, indeed, if we’ve done very well to have had Fraser, McKenna and Ramsay move on to “bigger” things and making us money.

Shouldn't have said anything

Daily Record reporting that club to open talks with Findlay Marshall about extending his contract.

She’s putting in a better showing than the fitba team so far.

The origin was our complete lack of forwards coming through and making an impact but it has evolved into the a possible reason why youth players feel the need to chase the dream down south due to your response being what it was. We just seem to have zero faith in players that have been with us since kids but are willing to spend way over the odds for imports that the average supporter can see from day one aren't anywhere near the level required.

We seem to be talking about different things. I thought we were speaking about strikers. I don't disagree that we have been poor in our transitioning of youth to first team. Personally, I think the club should go with quotas, and make it public so that fans can't complain when a youngster who possibly isn't up to it is getting minutes.

Their manager has a history of blowing the chance to get into European group stages.