Dandy_Don

Cheated again. No way Rooney's goal shouldn't have counted and looked to me like their second goal was off-side (although Brown should have saved it). On the plus side, Daniels played well.

Some classic stuff in here: http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=277181&st=0

RIP Zero. Can't believe it's been 10 years.

Did you even read what I wrote? Had I been able to vote, I'd likely have voted yes. And, by the way, I quite like your analogy. However, before you move out, it's a good idea to have a place to stay, some money to get you started and a plan to earn money to keep you going - otherwise you're likely going to end up on the streets or crawling back to mummy and daddy at some point (unless you get incredibly lucky). On the other hand, if you're expecting other people to pay for you while you doss about on internet forums in the middle of the night pretending to have had a couple of shandy's then we may have a different view of an Independent Scotland. Who said anything about guarantees? Coherent arguments and facts to back up your point of view, along with civilized debate are all I'm looking for. As I said, I'd likely have voted yes - but slagging people off for the sake of it because they have a different point of view is hardly going to win them over. And whether you like it or not, for the next Independence Referendum you'll have to win them over if you want to have an Independent Scotland. I don't have an issue with that point of view ST (and I actually agree with some of it) except this part Whatever we'd like to think, we'd still have had to join Europe (and therefore been pressured to follow the wishes of the big boys) and we'd still - likely - have joined NATO. Politicians are different cheeks of the same arse and it's naive at best to assume that an Independent Scotland would suddenly become this shining beacon of what's right in the world. Hell we fought for years over a golf course on land nobody was using and have been waiting on a by-pass for the best part of 40 years!

Alas you prove the point brilliantly (although it did take you longer than I expected to be honest) - you don't have facts but rather wild speculation and conspiracy theories which help you form your opinion and then resort to name-calling (the sign of a true internet hard-man) when someone has their own opinion that differs from yours. You do understand that Independence would likely have lead to closer ties with Europe or at least equal with what we have today? If the British government followed through on their threats not to form a currency union then it's also entirely feasible we would have a European currency. Let's make it simple for you and use an analogy. If someone wants to build a house, they have an architect come in and draw up some plans. Things may change - either budget reasons or environment issues etc that may cause them to change their vision - but ultimately they have some form of blueprint with some calculations and plans as to where they are heading. They generally have a budget or a plan to get a budget. They don't borrow some chalk and a blackboard and draw a square on it and then say 'this is my hoose', expect a builder to come in and build it, have no clear idea of how to fund it and then insult everyone who asks any questions or suggests that they may want to add some additional detail to the design. (Note you may have some people that want to follow the latter path but most people would be averse to that type of risk just for clarity). It's fine to believe in a dream and the perfect utopia if you live in a fantasy world but for the rest of us in the real world we have to depend on facts and rational reasoning. You seem to be against the 'Police State' in America, yet want to be the Chief Thought Police Officer in Scotland... get the irony there?

Yes - Well Done Aberdeen!

I couldn't vote since I live in the US now, but if I had been able to I'd likely have voted Yes in the end. However, I switched between Yes and No throughout because there were valid arguments on both ends. The problem is that this commentary of the '55' and the '45' and the constant 'Shame on you' and other patronising, vulgar attacks on people who exercised their democratic right to vote is ridiculous. If the Yes campaign had educated people properly and been able to back up their claims then they'd have won. They didn't and they lost. By all means the Yes campaign should continue educating people on why Independence is good for Scotland because there WILL be another referendum and Scottish independence WILL happen eventually, but the almost childish name-calling aimed at anyone that disagrees with their opinion will do absolutely no good for the cause of Scottish Independence and is more likely to cause those that voted No to dig their heels in. Those who believe in Independence should focus more on getting the 'evidence' out there rather than belittling people that have yet to see it or believe in it.

CIG

Seriously? I thought we were shite in the first half and - although marginally better in the 2nd - the Germans could have ripped us a new one if they'd stepped it up a bit. McArthur's touch for the second goal would have been embarrassing for someone in primary school football never mind professional. I will say that -even though I'd never heard of him before the game - Ikechi Anya played really well IMO...

Good point - Kuyt did learn his trade at Liverpool so that makes sense...

Well in that case he'll do brilliantly at Man U... Although a seemingly hopeless team with Robben, Van Persie, Sneijder, Van Der Vaart, Kuyt etc seems like a slight exaggeration

He's Dutch min... and we all know Dutch folk don't know anything about football!

:thumbsup:

Let's be honest, it's a farce. The boy was suspended for 3 games, he missed 3 games. Celtic were 6-1 down and the guy came on for 4 minutes so it hardly affected the outcome. A clerical error should be dealt with by a fine - if the boy was suspended for 3 games and played in one of the next 3 games then I get it, but clearly there was no attempt to cheat and they gained no competitive advantage. Complete lack of common sense - although our Celtic friends enjoy conspiracy theories so wonder who they're thinking paid the bribe on this one? :cheats: Either way, come on Maribor..!

That's simply wrong. :hammer:

I missed the first 15-20 mins. My take so far is that Darling was better in the Cross Examinations (Mainly due to the Currency and Salmond going off about Driving on the wrong side of the road, Pandas and Aliens which wasn't a great move), but I think Salmond is coming on stronger in the second half... I don't think this is going to sway Undecided either way in a significant number...

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Thanks

Some good laughs in here.... http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=272116

Does anyone know if the Salmon v Darling debate will be shown outside of the UK? I know it's on the STV player but I'm getting an error with the player (although the debate doesn't start until 8pm BST) - not sure if it's just the content now that's an issue or if it will be an issue with the debate as well?

Looks like the new platform is up and running!! Looks better to me already. An interesting note on RedTV as well: Hopefully it means we are finally going to be able to watch games on Tablet/phone etc....

They assumed we were getting knocked out...

Since I'm assuming BobbyBiscuit and Tyrant are about to have another lover's tiff in the Gerrard Retiring from International thread, thought I'd open this up to a vote...

So let's get some songs on the go...