I understand where your coming from bb but hartley was already an established leader to be fair. Anderson as you say took time, he played cb though and im cynical on a wide player being captain. I dispute surrendering though, there was plenty fight in the team, st m were just better. As we have discussed before there is no attacking guile in the side. I've not heard broons comments so cant comment but i do (maybe optimistically) think the back line needs time to gel. That said the lack of creativity in comparison to st m was painfull