I find the ultra's groups a bit irritating at times if I'm honest. They have their moments with displays etc but their holier than thou at least we're trying to create atmosphere something you should aspire to oik attitude rubs me up the wrong way. Ultimately I'm just not a fan of manufactured 'atmosphere', if a game is turgid, it's fucking turgid and 200 people trying to make a song and dance about said turgidness comes across to me as weird, desperate and pathetic. Good atmospheres are created by the events on the pitch and that's a state of affairs that is never going to change. Not only that it's incredibly rare to get a game where it is bouncing all the way through. Football matches have high's and lows and the crowd turning a bit quiet is not a bad thing, it's just part of the game.