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The board never backed a manager who qualified for Europe twice, they're surely not going to back one that has managed barely a week in the top 6 and will lead us to our worst points tally since 03/04 under Steve Paterson. At least Pele could argue that he was too drunk to know what he was doing.

Didn't we have something like a ten year high in attendances last year? According to this http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/current/avesco.htm WE are down 11.6% (1325) so far, on last years full season average, and averages are down throughout the SPL.

Our final points total for the season plus 10? Our transfer budget for next season in pence? The average amount of times Lee Miller fell over in a game? Number of Mark Kerr's teeth found on Belmont street the morning of the 21st May 2009? Willie Miller's Aberdeen salary in millions of pounds per week?

Presumably held it in Newburgh to gain the support of local business people. Although I would have thought the Cock & Bull would not only be closer but more apt. If they boy has gone to the exhibition purely to kick off, then so he should be flung out on his arse.

With this and the Kerr article it seems to be more "What is Mark McGhee trying to say?"

OK, maybe I should have said 5 or 6 years, when I typed I was thinking Barry Nicholson was the last real improvement to the side and figured it was about 7 years ago that he signed. Maybe I should have been anal and looked it up, in truth I figured folk would get my point. We know Kerr to be decent, for whatever reason, it's not working for him just now but is the answer binning him and hoping for the miracle that is attracting someone better, for less money, no relocation costs, to what is now a bottom 6 SPL club with dwindling crowds? Let's not forget Kerr's original signing was a fairly drawn out process in a season that we played in the UEFA cup last 32.

Where's this hate coming from? Kerr is a decent player, no more no less, but name me one player we have signed since in the last 7 or 8 years that has been better than the player that has left? Good news as far as I'm concerned, and there has been fuck all of that emanating from AB24 in the last while.

Its nae the directors but McGhee gets a vote of confidence from Zander on the BBC website today.

I'm hearing Azteca. It's almost as if McGhee is too media (in particular internet) savy. I felt sorry for him at the end of the Hearts game, before a wave of sickness passed over me as I realised he was playing our TV support for fools.

So finally we discover the primary difference between Calderwood and McGhee. Calderwood looked for players who would "kick their Granny" McGhee looks for player who will "shag a Granny" Seriously though what's on this list. Receding Hairline: Yes/No Large amount of Freckles: Yes/No Ugly: Yes/No Annoying wife: Yes/No Shit taste in baby names: Yes/No Scouse accent: Yes/No

Ha Ha! Just seen Jamie McQuilkin sent off for Hereford at Cheltenham!

Am I alone in thinking, why whine on to the press about this? Shut up, get on with it, and start getting the results. It's this weeks "Mark McGhee thanks fan's for their messages of support" article.

Was thinking the same thing. Greetin' is hardly the actions of a man determined to fight to the end.

I thought it was shite and confused shite at that. Going away to think about the positives, continuing to do what he's doing and came to do and not getting carried away at the positives that came from not losing, GREAT STUFF! Not to mention the weather, what with Aberdeen being those extra 70 miles closer to the Arctic circle than Fife. Don't forget the injuries that mean players can't train on state of the art facilities. We also have the "transitional season". Was that originally a McGhee quote or is this something he's picked up from the overwhelming volume of emails he's received? Either way, in my opinion, this article is on a par with a "Deek Dung - I can be Aberdeen's 20 goal a season striker" or a "Ricky Foster - We'll show fans how much cup defeat has hurt us" article. As Manc and Jaeger have said the proof will be on the park, over the next couple of weeks.

I see Chris Maguire scored again today.

Big rocket knew...

All I really meant by that was that if you are frustrated you're likely to lose a bit of perspective and rant. Should that not be forgiven considerig the circumstances?

I think what you are seeing as a shift in perspective to total intolerence and short term knee jerk reaction towards the change of management is, as Bilbo suggested, frustration at the continuing failure of AFC in achieving anything. I've always assumed and treated comments regarding "transitional seasons" and "Jimmy's dross" as a bit of bam baiting humour to alleviate said frustrations, and have used them in the same fashion. I certainly do not want McGhee sacked. I stated the same after, I think, the Falkirk game. What exactly would be the point in that? We are not in danger of being relegated. Not forgetting that the board copped out of the last managers contract they handed out further deepening our need for them and I'm fucked if I'd encourage them to deepen it further. Rightly or wrongly McGhee is the boards man and he has to be given an opportunity to sort his mess out. I may not have been for his appointment, I may not appreciate how he is going about his job, but if at the end of it he is a success, I will humbly eat my pie of the same name. As for a light at the end of the tunnel, I'm still of the belief that it's a long term thing, numerous times in numerous posts I've mentioned Hibs (I know I'm not the only one). They've cleared their debt and building from there and surely now have to be considered the most viable OF contenders for a generation. Oh and if you can't vent frustrations about your football club on a website dedicated to opinions about said football club, what's the point in said website?

According to the Hat Chris Chrighton is on five live talking about the spitting incident last night. Apparently this is good because .

OK, perhaps stating that I didn't have an opinion that I quite clearly did and had alluded to in nearly every post in the thread where the original discussion was taking place, would have been more accurate.

Fuck all, probably, bar the incorrect opinions you claim that I hold. I just like taking out my frustrations at my team losing by arguing with people on the internet and since I was banned from AFChat you are the easiest target to get a reaction out of.

This is new! and that's twice now. Instead of insults, it's planting incorrect opinions on posters who do not agree with you. Did the dong bettle or ant teach you this tactic for internetwebchatspeaksites?

I couldn't give a fuck about McGhee. My arguments at the time of Calderwood's sacking and McGhee's subsequent appointment were more concerned with the financial implications for the club. As I've already said in this very thread we need a black bank balance before any kind of success can be built. Fuck, I think if you go back about a week I speculated whether attempting to push Milne out and take the consequences would we be any worse off, even if it meant administration and relegation.

It's not acceptable but surely it can be made palatable if in the long term the club can get back onto an an even financial keel. That, above all else, has to be the real key to any sort of tangible future success. I admit, you amuse me, especially when you get angry, sort of like a reverse Bruce Banner. I haven't listened to the interview, perhaps I will when I go home, although your description of what sounds to me as McGhee whining about the hand he has been dealt, sounds like something I would have no interest in sitting through. A good manager works with his teams strengths while trying to improve on their weaknesses, for McGhee to still be blaming the players for his inability to work in this way, after 8 months in the job and two previous embarrassing cup defeats, says all I need to know. 1) Who gives a fuck how we got there, we got there. Please don't now come out with "we didn't deserve 4th place last season". 2) Was it worth the close to £1million to find out if someone else could achieve any less unacceptable cup results.

Exactly! If treading water is qualifying for Europe every couple of seasons but challenging for that place every season and winning in the league more often than we lose. I'd be willing to accept that, even if it meant sucking up a humiliating cup exit once or twice a season. Even more so if it meant the club was beginning to look like breaking even on a yearly basis. Really and truly what was so wrong with that? That said Calderwood probably felt he had achieved all he was going to, given the financial constraints of the club. Maybe he felt he should have won something tangible and that's what prompted the signing of the extension? In all honesty things needed freshening up at that time on both sides. A new man would have had a clean slate to work from, as that side had just been broken up. Any kind of lasting success has to be built on foundations, what kind of success does anyone expect to be built on a £12 million debt especially when your adding another +/-£1 million to it? I'm sure there has to some sort of metaphoric link in there regarding SMG hooses and dodgy foundations . I don't think I was ever particularly a fan of Calderwood, but summer 2009 who was realistically going to do better and what is better? 3rd every season? A good run in the lottery of the cups? After all this is not like the 80's, we are not the first/second best team in the league. In all honesty we're somewhere between the 3rd and 7th best team. McGhee was never the man for the job. Rocket likes to harp on about winners. McGhee, while successful as a player has achieved fuck all as a manager. Like has been said the club is a shambles they take a risk in punting a manger but bottle it half way through and take a "safe" option as a replacement. I assume they thought as a former fans favourite, he'd be given time and excused the same "achievements" that Jimmy was berated for. In answer to Rockets post: Was paying off Calderwood wrong? Yes, as far as the timing of it. He had qualified his team for Europe most of which were half way through 2 year deals, and should have been allowed to finish the job he started. Was it correct to give Calderwood an extension? No, lets be honest, from both AFC's and Calderwood's perspective things needed freshening up. Was McGhee the correct replacement? As has been said; many on this forum, myself included, did not think so. Unfortunately it looks like we were correct.