very valid points though. The problem with aberdeen fans, and probably most football fans these days is they can't be arsed. I think the ultras were an asset to the club and we the fans are the ones that will suffer. Mizer, you say that, and i know it happens because its happened when I've been singing them with you, but at least there was singing. The club fucked up at limiting their displays and moving them to the y was the final nail in their coffin. I appreciated the effort they put in despite not necessarily agreeing with their attitude at times.