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2 match ban and a fine- Rangers appealing.

Just seen the goals too. The second was a good 2 or 3 yards offside.

Someone needs to tell him nobody thinks they deserve to be bottom of the league. He seems to think we'll be fine because we've had chances. Inverness, St Mirren and all would be thinking the exact same if they were bottom. "We dont deserve it" etc. SHITE

Gonzo/Brown McArdle Mawene Considine Foster Pawlett Osbourne Fyvie Milsom Mackie Magennis With a bench of Brown/Gonzo, Robertson, Megginsson, Grimmer, Masson, McManus, Rumsby ?

Supporters don't invest money. Time and emotions, yes. Shareholders invest money. Yes you can be a supporter and a shareholder but being a supporter doesn't mean you invest money in the club (which is what was being suggested). I don't know how much clearer that can be. You said the board don't invest money in the same way as supporters do. The only supporters who invest money are shareholders, in which case the board do invest money in the same way only on a larger scale.

I do know, thanks. I'm a shareholder myself. Anyway in that case they are a shareholder and do invest money in the same way as the board do (on a much smaller scale). I think we've drifted from the original point.

Has O'Neill ever explained why he left Villa? Seem to remember there was some strange circumstances.

I wasn't painting them as anything. There is plenty to have a go at them about but moaning that they didn't invest this money is incorrect. Manc's point was that they need to invest in the team, which they haven't. My response wasn't to him but to those dismissing these loans as investments. Supporters don't invest money. They pay for a (shite) product.

Langfield is a capable 2nd choice to Brown. No idea why people have written Brown off already. Been impressed with what little I've seen of him.

When you "invest" money in something you don't forfeight any right to getting that money back. Often you would be issued a number of shares (to the value you "invested") which you could sell at any time or in this case they have the right to have their money repaid over time. "Finance investment is putting money into something with the expectation of gain". In this case the gain isn't shares which may go up in value, or interest paid on the investment. The gain is from the plan hope that the money will allow the club to continue to operate which protects their previous investments in the company. Nobody ever said they donated the money.

I was thinking the same until I got to the quotes. Horrible stuff.

Agree on Arnason and Osbourne, would add in Jack and maybe even Considine this season. Fyvie has been a bit average this season although his chances in CM have been limited. Pawlett would be another player to add to the list if Brown would play him. Don't understand his lack of game time this season.

Pretty much echo the above. Some of his signings have been good, some shite. He probably does have a better good:shite signing ratio than McGhee but the results are similar and the same problems exist.

He slows our entire team down. The amount of times he kills an attack by taking too long to play a pass (and often then that pass is also too hard/soft) is unbelievable. He can't play left wing. All game at East End Park the ball switched out to the left and he was nowhere to be found. Yes he put in 1 good cross against Motherwell but he also had a great oppertunity to put in another cross in the 2nd half but intsead fannied about with a stepover and got tackled. The latter is the most common output from him. Watch him closely next game you are at. People seem to get blinded by a players' first few months at the club (whether they be good or bad months) and canna see when a player is playing poorly/good.

Milsom has been awful this season. Unless he's going to go back to Central Midfield (i.e Ozzie or Arnie leave) then we should take any money offered. Even when he has been CM this season he has been very poor. Nothing like the player trying to earn a contract last season.

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Would rather Brown is given a chance before Langfield.

Brown needs to start next game. Jason or Craig, either would be an improvement.

Utter gash today. Said even at HT 1-0 up that it was the worst I've seen us play in a while and I had no idea how we were 1 up. Passes of less than 10 yards imcomplete, every single player on the park having Mackie-esque control and such a stupid team selection meant players weren't where they were meant to be and didnt have a clue where to move to. Ok Milsom is a central midfielder but if he's asked to play left wing he'll fucking do it and not stick himself in the middle all the time. The amount of times we switched the ball to Foster on the left and Milsom being nowhere to be seen was unbelievable. Really stopped any chance of us getting down the flanks. Fallon - like I said earlier in the week. Utter shite. Magennis is a joke too, what a fucking miss. Decent hit for his goal but I would expect most keepers to be saving it as it was pretty much down the middle. Mawene FFS Fuck Sake he just let the boy walk past him for their 2nd! Had a chance to make up for it at the end with a header but fucked that too. Gonzalez had one of his worst games for us today. Flapping about everywhere. Why the fuck are we starting Chris Clark? I wasn't 100% against his return but he really is shite. And why play him at RB when Jack is on the pitch playing RM? The two of them had no idea how to link together when the ball was down their side. Neither would overlap and look for the ball. Pass marks I think only to Considine today.

Craig Brown can get to fuck. Sick of hearing this shit from someone who quite frankly is a shit manager. FUCK OFF BROWN

We got fuck all.

Fallon is shite

He'll be in the Scotland squad soon.