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bossu out? for good <fingers crossed smilie>

tbh I am in favour of the development. The North East needs to make the most of its resources, and tourism will, or atleast should become alot more important as the oil runs out. As a side note the North East should have been the site for the centre looking into the development of wind and wave power, but I'm sure that was sited elsewhere despite the wealth of engineering expertise in the North East. I was trying to stimulate a modicum of debate as seemingly everyone on here is 100% behind it. I do feel that the fact Trump and his millions were involved blinded some politicians from making serious decisions. The housing development, for example, would surely have been questioned a bit more if Trump hadn't eschewed compromise and debate for threats of withdrawal if he didn't get his way and equally other developers would have been encouraged to move a couple of holes a wee bit away from the dunes, without significantly affecting the project. Trump showed no interest in such standard practice and resorted to bully boy threats of "my way or I'm out of here" And bilbo, who I voted for in the election has nothing to do with it. I was pointing out that the government were, as all governments inevitably do, pandering to a rich famous man, in much the same way as NuLabour did despite the criticism of the tories before them for the exact same.

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Last 10yrs of results at Tannadice....why do we keep going? Played 20 Won 5 (3 league, 2 cup) Drawn 7 Lost 8 For 25 Against 34 Dundee United 3-0 Aberdeen 19-01-2008 Dundee United 1-0 Aberdeen 04-08-2007 Dundee United 3-1 Aberdeen 30-12-2006 Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 21-01-2006 Dundee United 2-3 Aberdeen 07-01-2006 CUP Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 30-07-2005 Dundee United 1-2 Aberdeen 02-03-2005 Dundee United 4-1 Aberdeen 27-02-2005 CUP Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 11-09-2004 Dundee United 3-2 Aberdeen 17-01-2004 Dundee United 0-2 Aberdeen 24-05-2003 Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 30-11-2002 Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 15-12-2001 Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 17-03-2001 Dundee United 3-5 Aberdeen 23-09-2000 Dundee United 1-1 Aberdeen 25-03-2000 Dundee United 0-1 Aberdeen 12-03-2000 CUP Dundee United 3-1 Aberdeen 06-11-1999 Dundee United 3-0 Aberdeen 20-02-1999 Dundee United 1-0 Aberdeen 04-10-1998

The bulldozing of planning legislation at the behest of a multimillionaire and the precedent that sets (have money, get your way - see labour, New.) The resultant damage to an area of a rare habitat and an area of significant scientific interest. A large unnecessary housing estate built to fund the resort. A exclusive golf resort for rich americans and oil execs that will employ the minimum staff at the minimum wage and be inaccessible to most in the north east

How often does a new course get on the Open circuit? Aberdeen/shire and the North East already have some excellent courses and as I said Royal Aberdeen will host the Walker Cup in 2011, probably as big a competiton as there has ever been in the North East. Interesting to note that the Loch Lomond resort has been having serious financial problems too: http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/golf/display.var.2465412.0.Loch_Lomond_still_on_course_to_host_the_Scottish_Open.php

Has Aberdeen not held the seniors Open and the Walker Cup? Would this have been approved if the celebrity of Trump wasn't attached to it? Rich, famous guy getting his way and damn the consequences?

A star of the 55 league winning side that my dad used to rave on about when I was growing up

Everyone goes on about how great it is to have a world class course in the North East of Scotland. Is Royal Aberdeen not recognised as one of the best courses in Britain? Are we assuming loads of golfers will suddenly arrive in the North East because of the name Trump?

out of interest anyone any idea how other strike forces in the SPL are doing (scum excepted) The goal scoring rate this season is shocking and barely a goal per game for most sides. At a guess Motherwell and hibs are probably the only two where the strikers have chipped in with a respectable number of goals. Can't remember such a low scoring league in a while. Is it as much to do with the total lack of creativity in the middle and out wide in the SPL as it is to do with shit strikers?

I don't see the point of your story you ended up in the fair play stand also with "modern" turnstile technology I'm still at a loss to understand how united let too many folk into the shed that day

you gotta love scotrail

last time this happen did alot of folk just not bother going to save all the hassle? I suspect that there will be a big queue at 1400 but come 1445 you'll be able to get in relatively easily, although maybe not get an amazing seat (is it not normally a free for all anyway, even when all ticket?) Will they be digging out the raffle tickets to exchange for our £20+ entrance fee?

maybe if enough of us go down they'll over fill it again and have no control over the stand, again. Tayside Police almost make Grampian Police look competent

shed=best away end in the league

stop falling over start scoring goals then he should be considered for a Scotland place no where near just now however

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In or Oot: Oot, unless I have a sudden change of heart Pre-matcher: My hoose Location: The Weeg Half-timer: feck all Post-matcher: probably catching liverpool v spurs

What are the chances of the dons getting Locos, Keith/Forres, Cove, Elgin, Peterhead or Clach in the next round? Stilring Albion v Partick Thistle Forfar Athletic v Stranraer Lochee United v Ayr United Forres Mechanics or Keith v Dalbeattie Star Inverurie Loco Works v Civil Service Strollers or Vale of Leithen Elgin City v Annan Athletic or Spartans East Stirlingshire v Livingston Edinburgh City or Wick Academy v Brechin City Albion Rovers v Queen's Park East Fife v Arbroath Peterhead v Greenock Morton Clyde v Montrose Airdrie United v Cove Rangers Raith Rovers v Alloa Athletic Clachnacuddin v Stenhousemuir Ross County v Dumbarton

thought you'd like that

what am I listening to? The Official Scotland CD

I didn't say I believed that to be the case, merely that it is an argument I have seen before. Certainly from what I've read Chris Anderson was the real driving force behind the dons and perhaps with his illness and premature death we lost some of that. As for making a profit last year. I believe we did make a profit but that was before loan repayments etc so we still made a loss.

I'm sure we did play well but almost without exception our best, most entertaining games since JC has arrived have been against Hibs. Although it sounds promising I suspect that we will revert to type against Falkirk and Hearts. It could be argued that Chris Anderson and Dick Donald failed to sufficiently capatilise on our success in the 80s, thus laying the foundations for our inevitable downturn. Letting Ian Donald take over merely exacerbated the problem

It's hard to argue with any of that. However I feel that even given the meagre resources JC has been given (and in the main they are more substantial than most) he should have done better than he has. Any team can blow one cup semi final. To lose 2 so spectacularly and seemingly learn nothing is an indictment on his ability. To continuously fuck about with the team, as he did last year and this, seemingly clueless as to it's best composition, is equally not good enough. To still not to have replaced Anderson and play imposters like Bossu in our most important game of the season to date is down right negligent. None of this is the boards fault.

That's the thing. Are we to accept that this is as good as it will get? Is it wrong, or "unrealistic" to hope, expect, that the club can do better? Surely we are bigger and better than most clubs in the SPL. Should our expectations not be above the same "half-arsed success" that the rest have had? Should we not be aiming to be getting into europe most seasons? Should we not be aiming for cup finals and cup wins? Should we not, at the very least, expect a manager to replace our main (only) centre back after 18months? Should we not expect some ambition from the club? Perhaps a change won't work. Perhaps it will. The unremitting mediocrity of our league performances over the last 18months is surely not hard to better.