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can someone post an upto date table please The one on the BBC has us having played only 2 games

The STs at pittodrie are excellent value for money. Hibs at home is probably the 3rd or 4th biggest home game of the season. Watching the EPL over the SPL is just wrong The Aberdeen fan base is shite. Even if we start winning trophies and playing like brazil we won't ever average more than 15,000

yet another reason to hate murdoch and the EPL It is a sad state of affairs when "aberdeen fans" would rather watch some English football on the tv rather than "their" team live but unfortunately many do, and not just in Aberdeen.

what the fuck will afc do with a 30,000 seater stadium? And what kind of 30,000 seater stadium do you get for £50M? Serious question. Will it be 4 RDS or a bigger Roseburn Stand x4

FFS get on with it Panananannathanikos

well done afc (did I just say that?) Of course they are reverting to the system that worked perfectly well for years. We may not need it this year, but with hopefully over the next few years we will have a few more of these "glamour" games, and hopefully this will encourage folk to go to the "run of the mill" ones

He scored for the reserves.....I heard some guy called John Stewart did that once or twice. Sorry sneck but get him punted in Jan. JC don't want him, he doesn't want to be here, what's the point

maybe ayes, maybe naw: Taken from aberdeen-puremental Season 2006/07 after 15 games: 1 Celtic 15 +21 40 2 Aberdeen 15 +6 25 3 Hibernian 15 +12 22 4 Rangers 14 +6 22 5 Hearts 14 +6 22 6 Kilmarnock 15 -4 22 7 Inverness C 15 -3 19 8 Falkirk 15 -1 18 9 St. Mirren 15 -6 16 10 Dundee U 15 -14 14 11 Motherwell 15 -11 12 12 Dunfermline 15 -12 12 After 15 equivalent fixtures This season 2007/08 (Last season 2006/07) Dundee Utd (A) L 0-1 (L 1-3) Hearts (H) D 1-1 (L 1-3) Celtic (H) L 1-3 (L 0-1) Hibernian (A) D 3-3 (D 1-1) Kilmarnock (A) W 1-0 (L 0-1) Motherwell (H) L 1-2 (W 2-1) Rangers (A) L 0-3 (L 0-1) Gretna (H) W 2-0 (Dunfermline (H) W 1-0) St Mirren (H) W 4-0 (W 2-0) Inverness CT (A) W 2-1 (D 1-1) Falkirk (H) D 1-1 (W 2-1) Dundee Utd (H) W 2-0 (W 3-1) Hearts (A) L 1-4 (W 1-0) Celtic (A) L 0-3 (L 0-1) Hibernian (H) W 3-1 (W 2-1) 2007/08 Points: 21 Goals For: 22 Goals Against: 23 Goal difference: -1 2006/07 Points: 23 Goals For: 17 Goals Against: 16 Goal Difference +1 Another interesting stat: By 2/12/2006 we had played 16 games in all competitions in season 06/07. By 2/12/2007 we have played 22 games in all competitions in season 07/08.

surely the could have placed their town name a bit better:

my god....this years agm will be even more of a cake walk for the board than recent years. Good result on sat, decent euro run and now £1.4M added to the football budget. Amazing what they will do to avoid probing questions about the farcical nature of our finances and plans for the future (cross our fingers and close our eyes) I'd be amazed if this works out as much more than a few magic beans per season. Most will go to wages (including JC and the rest) and (re)signing on fees. I'm sure it will mean we have a bit of leeway to get in a bosman here and there but I don't believe we'll actually see £1.4M in JCs hands in 10yrs, never mind 3

Two points: Charlie Allan is a fat waste of oxygen, and a scab at that. The day he pays to get into Pittodrie is the day he can start criticising fans. Having said that though it was a poor crowd, but only to be expected. AFC just don't have a big hard core support these days. We will get a reasonable crowd out for big games but it will take a hell of a lot more than a cup semi and a few games in europe to get most folk along every week. It does piss me off slightly that we had almost 6000 in madrid but less than 10000 in pittodrie on sat, and the support of the city is fucking shocking, but that will not change with the kind of drivel Allan writes. Note to the board, crowds will also not flood back when your tactics to entice folk in centre around slagging stay-aways and blaming them for lack of cash. After a great result on sat and a creditable performance in madrid I expect a bigger crowd on sat......about 11,000

Interesting, and seems slightly bizzarre man-management from JC if true. Brewster is right of course about Scotland. Quite how Hart (and Zander for that matter) were not in the B squad while Darren Dodds and some english guys coming to the end of their careers were beggers belief. I would hope the new Scots manager can see what we see week in week out and gives these guys a chance (although if it Souness I would just give up now)

Dunno about turning point. Our best performance of the season so far before today, win over ushited, was followed up by defeat by hearts and celtic with quite horrific displays. Get 6 pts in our next two games and I'll believe we are well on truly on our way to top4 and Europe again. If we lose either game it will be a long hard slog to get back into Europe. The hope is that the players have loved the experience of europe this year (if not the results) and want it again. The hope is that they realise to get europe again they will have to work their bollocks off to get afc there because there ain't one of them who will walk into a regular place with any other side with such a good chance of europe

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I predicted 3-1 and I was right If we bother to turn up/play the right team there are not many that will match us in the SPL, particularly at pittodrie. Hibs in particular have not really impressed at all anytime I have seen them this year and I fully expect them to nose dive any time soon. United will win more than they lose but we should make ground on them, while hearts will always go from a draw with gretna to a draw with celtic. Strangely enough it may be 'well that cause us the most problems and the game in a fortnight could be a cracker and will be crucial to us challenging for top4 come 2008. Have to say, although on paper I disagreed with some of todays selections (and I speak as someone who saw none of the game) a big well done for giving Touzani a start. I'll be a little disappointed if seve comes straight back in next week, but if he does hopefully it will have been the required rocket up the arse and he starts performing like an afc captain and not some workshy waster

Kenny Hodgart is an occasional member of the guasc and a diehard dandy guess the lucky cunt got the herald to pay for a wee trip in the guise of journalism good on him

what's that I hear bursting down tannadice street :lolabove:

if Touzani doesn't start on Sunday then JC is an even bigger eedgit than I thought (that goes for JDV too btw but then JC has already shown he doesn't want to start him)

better late than never I suppose: Dons to put concerns to UEFA Jimmy Calderwood at the stadium Aberdeen Football Club has confirmed that it will be writing to UEFA as a matter of urgency in the wake of last night’s UEFA Cup Group B match with Atletico Madrid in the Vicente Calderon Stadium. A Club spokesman commented. “We are still in the process of documenting everything that occurred from the time of the draw until the conclusion of game and in particular the way in which some of our fans were treated outside the stadium. “As a result of reports of trouble at the game, Duncan Fraser, John Morgan and Gordon Ritchie from AFC have remained in Madrid and, since last night, have been working closely with the British Consul and Grampian Police officers who were in Spain to ensure the safety of our supporters and also piece together exactly what happened. “Duncan, John and Gordon this morning visited Ian Bremner (38), who lives in Denmark, and sustained a head wound inflicted by a police baton, resulting in his being rushed to hospital. Thankfully Ian is now out of intensive care and is on the mend and, as far as we can ascertain, he is the only Aberdeen supporter to have been hospitalised as a result of trouble while significantly, there are no reports of any Aberdeen fans being arrested. “The Club repeatedly asked for additional tickets well in advance of the fixture and were informed that there were no more available, only for additional seats to be made available earlier this week via Atletico’s website and with no prior warning to ourselves. Additionally, as recently as yesterday we were told at the official UEFA meeting that the match was a sell out, and while there are always a few seats not taken at any game, as everyone could see, there were thousands of empty places in all areas of the stadium other than the ones allocated to visiting fans. “As a result of our concerns for potential problems, we involved the Consul at an early stage and they have been aware of the relevant issues. Those, along with the reported mistreatment of Aberdeen supporters will form the basis of a detailed report that we will be submitting to the governing body over the course of the next few days.â€

Sunday Herald Article http://www.sundayherald.com/sport/shfootball/display.var.1857671.0.0.php Brothers in arms By Graham Hunter Atletico Madrid’s lasting respect for Aberdeen was forged during one famous night in Gothenburg. Graham Hunter reports from Spain ahead of Thursday’s match Comment IMAGINE THE scene. It's May 11, 1983, referee Gianfranco Menegali is about to blow his whistle after 120 minutes of rain-soaked Cup Winners' Cup football in Gothenberg's Ullevi Stadium and thousands of fans draped in red and white are ready to explode in celebration, drink to excess and whisper a thank you' to God for granting the wildest prayer they'll ever have. But those red and white shirted fans have never even heard of the expression fit like', think sheep are best for eating and are starting their fiestas in los bares of Madrid, the city of the beaten team. They are Los Colchoneros - the mattress makers, as the fans and players of Atletico de Madrid are known in honour of the stripes on their strips. And at that moment nearly 25 years ago an umbilical link was forged between Aberdeen FC and Madrid's second' club. That season Atletico were in their seventh trophyless year while their hated rivals Real Madrid, under the management of the legendary Alfredo di Stefano, reached four cup finals and went into the last day of the title race as league leaders and favourites. Heaven for the white' side of the city and utter, total hell for the other. To win the title Madrid needed only a point at the Mestalla; but Valencia won and stayed up thanks to four other results. Athletic Bilbao, at a time of massive stress between ETA and the Spanish capital, were champions. Real Sociedad had already defeated Los Blancos for the Spanish Supercup and, although the Atletico fans didn't know it at the time, by the end of June Barcelona would beat Real Madrid in the Spanish Cup Final and the Spanish League Cup final. When John Hewitt put Di Stefano's team out of its misery in May in extra time it was Real Madrid's third moment of seeing silverware disappear that season. For the long-suffering Atletico aficionados it was like winning the pools, inheriting a brewery and catching a snog off the sexy chica next door all on the same evening. Aberdeen had found a friend. That's why Pablo Brotons, a long-serving journalist with Spain's biggest selling newspaper Marca and lifelong Colchonero, was so excited when the Uefa Cup draw was made. "Our group consists of three other clubs plus our brothers in football,'" says Brotons. "From the moment the draw was made and Aberdeen were paired with Atletico I've been demanding that we organise a guard of honour for that team when they run out onto the pitch at the Calderon stadium. "That day back in 1983, Aberdeen made all of us Atletico fans glad to be alive and that team, coached by Alex Ferguson, with that great, great goal by Hewitt in extra time will live long in our memories. "Not only was that season the one when Madrid lost all five trophies they were playing, we Atletico fans love the fact that the Cup Winners' Cup no longer exists and now Madrid can never win it." Which, coincidentally, is another fraternal link between the two clubs. Born within just a few days of each other back in 1903 and forced to wage guerilla warfare on their respective bêtes noir - Real Madrid, Rangers and Celtic - Aberdeen and Atletico Madrid have had similar levels of success. Nine leagues to the Spaniards, four to the Pittodrie side, nine Spanish Cups to the Colchoneros and seven to Aberdeen. But each has that solitary European Cup Winners' Cup victory, Atletico's coming 21 years before that night in Gothenberg. Each club is identified by its red and white colours - which Atletico adopted when they sailed to England in 1911 to buy more of their original Blackburn Rovers strips but found there was nothing but Southampton kits for sale - and both were generated by other clubs: the original Aberdeen amalgamating with Orion and Victoria United while Atletico were spawned from Basque founders Athletic Bilbao. Oh, and neither Atletico nor Aberdeen have a major trophy to their name since 1995/96 when Raddy Antic's superb team won the Spanish double and Duncan Shearer drove Aberdeen to League Cup success at Hampden Park. Sadly, that's about it as far as similarities go. Jimmy Calderwood's budget at Aberdeen last summer stopped just short of the 77 million which Javier Aguirre, the Atletico coach, shelled out. Nor does Calderwood have the luxury on Thursday night of choosing four midfielders who have appeared in a Champions League final - three winners in Motta, Maniche and Luis García plus runner-up Jose Antonio Reyes - or one, Maxi Rodriguez, who scored the Goal of the Tournament in the last World Cup reaching the quarter-finals in the process. Up front? Well, an under-20 World Cup winner in the dazzlingly good Sergio Kun' Aguero, a Uefa Cup winner in Mista plus Diego Golden Boot' Forlan. The two sides have both played 17 league and Uefa matches before this weekend with Aberdeen's 21 goals for and 24 against overshadowed by the Spaniards' 40 for and only 18 against. However, Calderwood will have noted that 10 of those 18 conceded have come in the last two league matches, a 4-3 win over Seville and a 4-3 home defeat to Villarreal, plus that 3-3 Uefa Cup draw in Moscow. "We've lost a little bit of defensive stability, we are committing unpardonable errors and we've chucked in far too many goals in the last few games," admits Aguirre. "This side is very attacking and they've forgotten that defending is a collective task." Aguirre has been handed a direct challenge by his president Enrique Cerezo, in return for that 77m - ending the 11-year silverware drought. Immediately. "I think we are capable of getting to and winning one or both of the Uefa and Spanish Cup finals this season," confirms Cerezo. "That would be something beautiful for this club and we have the squad to achieve it." But if Aberdeen have an advantage on Thursday when they link up with their brothers in football', it is that crushing burden of pressure which Real Madrid hand over to the inhabitants of the Calderon without fail each week of each season. By Thursday, defending champions Real will either be top of or second in La Liga, they will more than likely have topped Group C and qualified for the last 16 of the Champions League - nine-times winners. Should Aberdeen take the lead at the Calderon then it will feel like the sky is falling in on the heads of Atletico's expensively assembled squad. Long suffering? The Count of Monte Cristo had it easy by comparison. And if you don't believe me then take it from the club themselves. This season, as in each of the last nine or 10, Atletico produced a promotional video courtesy of a big-name advertising agency. The story concept' this time portrays a young man at his father's graveside saying: "We have always been proud of supporting Atletico but each season it just gets more difficult" and he drapes his red and white scarf round the gravestone in a gesture of weary surrender and defeat. But as he leaves an old oak tree reaches down a branch, plucks up the scarf and pops it back on his shoulders. Once Atletico always Atletico is the message. However hard it gets. The weather will be freezing cold in the Calderon on Thursday night and the atmosphere will be cauldron hot. But while the Aberdeen fans will their team on in hope, rather than anticipation, those of them who remember Gothenberg, and ache at how long ago such glory was, will understand and empathise with the century-long agony of being born in Spain's capital but inheriting the impoverished mantle of being an Atletico fan.

brilliant, he suddenly realises what we have all known for weeks just before our trip to Madrid. Then the lads battle hard but ultimately fail, not least as they haven't played 90mins never mind 90mins with the same players/formation and are al then hooked for the hibs game

just caught a wee bit of the game on setanta (it's getting re-shown now) Stewart's sending off was a wee bit soft if it was for retaliation but his knee high, studs up tackle that led to the "handbags" was horrible Glad to see the wee shite sent off. Still a mystery how he never got sent off at pittodrie last year. As for their support...oh dear. I'll be disappointed if we don't have more than that on boxing day

Would love that midfield Therefore it won't happen I still have no idea why we extended Touzanis contract as JC clearly has no desire to play him

best player vs united scored vs hearts about the only don who looked like a footballer and gave a fuck when he came on today but can he displace clark?

it always did this for me ajja anyway I'd quite like folk to talk about stuff other than afc hat A pipe dream I know but you never can tell