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Aye, was sad to hear, and it wasn't like it was just coming from one section either. Lets be honest we have some gypes in our support. That's because tonight it was a 50/50 challenge; two players challenging fairly for a ball that was there to be won. That's different than someone being on the ball, in full control of it, and someone racing across and simply barging them over.

Yeah, cracks which were there long before Thelin arrived, and that no-one expected Thelin to fix in one season. That he won a cup regardless of that was pretty good management. Okay we're just ignoring Celtic's fortunate goal, that Celtic had shown what they were capable of at Hampden when they blew St Johnstone away in the semis, they hadn't lost a Scottish Cup game at Hampden under Rodgers, that mere months before that game that same Celtic team went very close to knocking Bayern Munich out of the Champions League, that after our goal we actually had four very good chances to win the game before penalties, and are just describing a very good defensive performance as "barely got a kick" because it doesn't suit the agenda? We beat a treble chasing Celtic team at Hampden. That we didn't dominate the game doesn't make it any less of an achievement. Since you know so much about last season, can you post how many times Celtic:- a) conceded at home in the Premiership b) dropped points at home in the Premiership? It won't take you long, it's a short list. I wasn't celebrating it. You asked for reasons why I didn't agree Thelin was "inept". Going and achieving things very few managers did last season, or even in previous seasons, is a strong argument against that. We also were not the only team to lose heavily to them last season. Is going out of the Europa League seemed a failure? We lost to the Romanian champions, who last week won away from home against the Dutch Cup winners. Are we just finding every single negative we can think of here, while dismissing any positives? I didn't actually say that. Perhaps a better example of being mental would be seeing and replying to things that aren't actually there...

The Scottish Cup win. The eleven league games without defeat and sitting top of the table, having beaten Rangers, and coming back from 2-0 down to draw at Parkhead. Surely though you didn't need me to remind you of that? Or are we just saying everything good he did was a fluke? I'd say calling a guy who took a team that finished seventh in the previous season to the brink of third place is clearly not inept. He's made mistakes, by fuck is he getting punished for them, but this is where we'll see what he's really made of.

It'd be a horrible time to replace the manager. Now, Hearts made the wrong choice in appointing Neil Critchley anyway, but he arrived on 15 October last year and then had what any new Aberdeen manager would have - no chance to make new signings for three months, and two games a week so little time to work with them on the training pitch and implement his way of playing. Chances are, we would all be having to say that it's really difficult for the new man and we can't really judge him until after the January transfer window / next season while we struggle for any sort of consistency. Unless the current incumbent is so inept that you have to change them, I'd say stick with him for now.

We tried to keep McGrath and Mackenzie. Morris wanted to go. I doubt we could have offered Gueye* the wages he'll have been offered to go to Turkey. You're talking about being given chances - Sokler and Rubezic were both given more than enough time to show if they were good enough. *Would Gueye not be classed as a success of Thelin's reign? Got the best out of a guy a lot of people had written off. Same with Morris too.

I dunno, I'd say someone being in control of the ball then being put on their arse by someone just blatantly knocking them over isn't an equal battle or a fair attempt to win the ball. Especially if he was to use his foot to knock him over it's a foul. It might be in the rules. But if it is, I'm saying it's a shite rule.

I agree with Rico here. Aouchiche should be at the very least getting a shot on goal there. And I agree with TLG here, I don't think he's making an attempt to win the ball there, just charging into him and knocking him over. At no point is that a 50/50 challenge.

My mate's loon plays for Deveronvale - both good Dons men - so good to see them beating Darvel.

Just like the good old days of the European Cup Winners Cup (remember that? We played in it a few times I think) this game brings together the Scottish and Ukrainian cup winners. Shakhtar Donetsk beat the Ukrainian champions on penalties in the final. A great way to win it. They changed manager in summer and so far he's unbeaten over 90 minutes. Their only loss was on penalties to Panathinaikos. They've won away from home this season at Besiktas and Servette, and drew away to Panathinaikos. So fair to say we're massive underdogs for this. Do we rest players for Dundee? Every game gets billed as a "must-win" just now only for it not to be, but I think failure to win that one might be a defeat too far for the board. Dorrington, Bilalovic and Ambrose all definitely can't play anyway as they're not in the squad. Would like Bilalovic at least to get a run out v Dundee. Personally, I'd stick with a similar team that started at Fir Park and the 5-2-3, get some familiarity into it. Just three changes: Nisbet, Aouchiche, Palaversa out; Lazetic, Armstrong, Clarkson in. Even if we lose, a big performance at least (and whisper it, maybe even a goal) would give us a badly needed lift.

What's Neil Warnock doing these days?

It's easy to throw more mud at Thelin. However, the criticisms that he's too stubborn or sticks with his favourites wasn't evident tonight. He changed formation, and made six changes to the line-up. We've gifted them the game at the end there (human errors), and yes there's obviously still criticisms (should Aouchiche stayed on for as long, should Lazetic been on earlier, etc). But in the main he got most things right tonight. If the strikers take their chances we win the game, and at worst it looked like we would at least walk away with a draw. We should be saying it was far from a perfect performance but there was positives to take. At no point tonight did I think we had a team who weren't playing for the manager, or a manager with no clue what to do. Instead it's rock bottom minus three. I think he gets the next two games and if we lose both the outside noise will be too much and the board - not wanting to take any responsibility themselves - will sack him, move for Stephen Robinson, and that'll be the three-year plan binned until another manager announces one.

Thought Thelin came across quite passionate in this, at least by his standards. For the first time I think we just began to see a bit of frustration and an insight into what he's been trying to tell the players.

Sounds like @RicoS321 was causing trouble again. He's the Keith Jackson of the forum. Bloody tabloid posters.

Has he? Where you getting this?

Almost same team that finished the United game, with a few changes. If Clarkson fit, him in for Nilsen, simply because he's a better player. If not, I would give the nod to Palaversa, more just because I don't think Nilsen's histrionics are helpful. Karlsson central (where he looked okay at Tannadice), another chance for Milanovic, Lazetic (if fit) to see if he can be more involved than Nisbet. The good news is there are options here for Thelin and so many other things to try before we give up.

Nilsen was 'marking' him, but fell on his arse, lost him, then spent two minutes demanding the ball because he was convinced it was a free-kick. Watched the replay. It's never a free-kick.

Don't Dons and drive. They were in the first half. In the second, Gyamfi (who had a poor second half anyway) appeared to just shell balls down the wing and stay in his own half, losing every 50/50. Only after Thelin's charges, when Aouchiche and Bilalovic came on (so did Yengi but he doesn't count). Bilalovic actually faced up to the defenders which we appeared scared to do before then. Before that, Karlsson was actually too wide I thought, because he was too far away from Nisbet and because he's not a winger he couldn't slip by players. A lot of attacks stopped with him. I thought he was far better when Bilalovic came on and he went more centrally. Despite my criticism of Gyamfi above, he needs a run of games. Interestingly, one of the coaches ran down to Shinnie (who was warming up but never came on) and spoke at length with him about what was happening on the pitch, and Shinnie was pointing out various things.

Yeh it did look like that. It was clearly designed to get more movement and link-up between the midfielder, winger and full back, and *at times* you could see that, but every combination seemed to have at least one player letting them down, and it never really quite clicked. It also meant Nisbet wasn't involved at all. Apparently he had only 13 touches in the game.

The only positives were the team that finished the game (minus Yengi, obviously) looked like it is at least capable of creating some chances. But too slow and passive for most of the game. Thelin called Aouchiche up to the bench, got him stripped, then changed his mind and left it for 10 minutes. Aouchiche responded by being stroppy little child on the touch line, spending 20 minutes throwing his hands in the air and shaking his head at the dugout, doing it right in front of the fans hoping for some support for it. Then at the end stayed extra long to 'applaud' the Aberdeen fans, standing himself, letting everyone know how much it hurt him and that, you know, if only he had been on earlier. Listen pal, you've done fuck all in an Aberdeen shirt so far. You can maybe act up to the fans when you actually do.

Except he did change the formation tonight and changed it again in the second half. He's not fit and has been carrying an injury for most of the season. Did he? What did he say to them? He certainly didn't upset them from his play. Yeah it was a nonsense that some fans booed Nilsen off as he got subbed. Didn't really see what happened for the second goal (he was adamant he was fouled) but generally he did the job he was asked. Others due a lot more stick than him.

*Price includes a small charge to cover bus transport from fan zones to stadium & back after the game. AFC have to organise these busses so a small charge will assist with this. The club are making somewhere between £4m and £5m from being in the group stages, but want the fans who are paying hundreds of pounds to travel over to these places in order to support the team, to chip in extra to pay for some buses? The cheek of it.

Yeah, sticking with a settled centre back pairing has helped. I guess conceding fewer goals isn't a headline grabber when you can't score or win though. But against Motherwell I did think we looked vulnerable a lot, and they exposed us far too often. That wasn't necessarily down to our back line - was more we were easy to pass through. We pressed their defence but didn't have enough bodies to press their midfield when they beat the press. The way Motherwell got back to front at times was how I expected us to be under Thelin. Motherwell's problem was their players make too many mistakes to really make it work (which is why they don't actually score much). A limit to the standard of player they can get I guess. Worryingly, Dundee United are quite similar in that they're a counter attacking team that have a bit more athleticism this season and they get at you quickly. But, we better have a plan for it, because my poor dad - not really a football fan - lives in Dundee so gets dragged along to these games on the threat of it being the only way to see his beloved son, and the last few at Tannadice have been shocking performances, so really we owe him one before he goes and gets a paternity test to see if he can get rid of me.

At this stage, I just want to see a performance, something that gives an indicator that we're improving. I think we've had plenty of time on the training ground now, maybe a run of two games a week is what we need. If we're sticking with 4-2-3-1, then it can't be the same front four. Based on how they played against Motherwell, I wouldn't be against moving Keskinen to the left and starting Milanovic, and dropping Aouchiche in favour of Lazetic or Polvara. Was disappointed too with Armstrong - too many loose passes, too many fouls. He's playing like a guy who doesn't have much match sharpness unsurprisingly. Anyway, I'm actually heading up for this one. My first game of the season, so here's hoping it brings some luck.

No. That's like saying Cormack knows more than me about football and I'm not having that. He's a CEO. I don't know what he does every day but when it comes to football decisions I hope he and Cormack are staying well out of it.

Thelin - I think you can strongly criticise him and also be strongly against sacking him. I really can't be arsed with another manager change. We've heavily invested in this one. We're not going to be relegated in October. Let's give this manager backing for once. But by fuck do we need to hit some good form, preferably before the year is out.