Superstar Tradesman

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When one of the best penalty box defenders ever to have played the game offers you advice, you really should listen to it rather than laugh it off.

This would get the crowds flooding back.

No. That's as far as I got.

Surely nobody can stop HIM buying the land personally?

Was it!? Ah well. What do I know?

Back on topic.... Here's an idea. How about Milne buying Pittodrie for waaaaaaaaaay more than it's worth. Say a figure that would wipe out the debt and pay for the new stadium and then he can build property on that site that pays off what he bought the ground for making zero profit but also costing him nothing. That's the fucking least he could do. We could get Rocket to make him do it.

Just answer the question will you. That's two of us now asking. Asking because we obviously do not know how we 'make him fix it'?

These ideas they are putting forward to get fans through the gate are all fine and dandy. Except for one thing. Have they bothered to consult the fans or listen to what they actually want? For years groups of supporters have been asking to have standing sections at grounds, to be able to buy a beer during the game or at half time, and there's sections of fans that have tried all sorts of things to liven/brighten up match days yet they've been turned away by the club(s) or met with resistance. Now they've introduced something out of the blue that logistically will not work for travelling fans. Nevermind, at least there's enough gloryhunting OF fans in each town to keep them flooding through the gates.

This is my main bone of contention. We're being told we have no other viable option but to sell up and move on but not one person has came out to tell us how we're financing the replacement. It's like the RDS saga three times over.

It was answers I was looking for, not confrontation.

I'm not disagreeing with you, nor am I 'looking at further angles for dispute and confrontation' which is my norm, apparently. I am however struggling to see the benefit of keeping him 'here until the finances are sorted out' because 'he created the debt' when he plainly hasn't shown any capabilities, interest or responsibility in doing so thus far. That to me sounds very much like 'stick with him and see what happens'. Which goes against everything else you say in your post. As far as 'getting him to fix it' goes, I'm not really sure anyone can and I don't think the fans can be called negligent if they don't.

The problem being: I don't for one minute believe he has ever had any intention of sorting out the finances. By keeping us in that amount of debt he does two things; firstly we become an unattractive investment which keeps replacement chairmen at bay, secondly it softens the blow of selling Pittodrie to the faithful. For over a decade we've been hovering in and around the -£10m figure despite large cash injections from the Euro run, selling off a couple players, one off tv rights, etc, all whilst cutting costs left right and centre. Yet that -£10m figure remains. A figure which just so happens to be staggeringly close to what Pittodrie seems to be worth. Funny that. "Sell now and we'll be debt free people - HURRAH!"........... Bullshit. If I was struggling to make ends meet, say to pay my own mortgage then I'd cut back on buying clothes, going on holidays, tighten my belt and start dining on 'no frills' food. If I found myself a year or two down the line having injested all that muck and still no better off then I'd have asked myself some pretty telling questions and re-assessed the situation pretty early on. Only an idiot would continue down that line for 10 years whilst not actually getting anywhere! Yet here we are. What I still can't figure out is if we do sell Pittodrie and we're debt (and asset) free, does Milne then sell our 'debt free club with brand new stadium' to the next man and do a runner? Or does he sign us up for a £20/£30m loan to pay for the ground that none of us want and the cycle continues? The fans are so disinterested in the club that nobody is in the faintest bit interested to find out where this money is going to magic itself from for this stadium that none of us are interested in. It's a one man mission and it always has been.

Wonder what triggered the performance? Kari Arnason's comments perhaps?

Poor wee Rocket getting all offended over what some blabbermouth has said. Me? I'm struggling to remember getting upset about anything he said back then and I'm still finding it difficult to muster up the least bit of hurt. I'm sure if he were to read that you're calling him "fatty" as one of your reasons not to like him it would be water off a large, tanned back. Sticks and stones. You're not the non-Granny-kicking Chris Clark are you my precious little Rockette?

No, I'd suggest the people that wanted rid of JC back then, now have the club they deserve.

Again, all relative. I've seen us lift trophies and to be honest a bus trip down to Hampden to pick up one fleeting cup now and then wouldn't really float my boat either. I'd prefer consistancy and nobody outside the OF has really managed seal that deal.

A lot more money than McGhee got to spend, that's fo' shizzle. Bobby - you keep banging on about how JC was on the slide and his team hadn't won X games in Y matches but the fact remains, we qualifed for Europe during that slide. I for one don't doubt that the slide was largely down to rumblings in and around Pittodrie at that time that his coat was on a shoogly peg. You've also mentioned the amount he spent on players but you've got to remember during his time he was selling players, and for big money. Something that the club have failed to do for long spells before or since JC's spell there. Couple that with the money he brought in for the European run(s) then I think he more than returned what he spent.

It's all relative. If you didn't enjoy coming within a ball hair of beating Bayern Munich and Locomotiv Moscow at Pittodrie, humping Copenhagen, trips to Greece and Dnipro, partying in the squares in Madrid, standing in a sea of red at the Allianz then I'd suggest you go check for a pulse. Of course some dour fucker will start blethering on about cup defeats but I can't say I remember too much about the games themselves. When I think back about those years then I only tend to remember the good times. Going a season without the Huns beating us also springs to mind. Can't say much is jumping out at me either side of those 'glory' years.

That's the thing. I always felt we had a 'team' under JC. Since then we've had a group of players who seemed to be split into camps under McGhee and a group of individuals who have plainly never met each other under Brown.

Can't believe folk are still bumping their gums over what Sandy Clark or JC did or didn't do at the club. Those were practically the glory years compared to the living nightmare we currently face.

They should have went ahead with the substitution whether he wanted to play or not. Holding up the subs board whilst he was sitting there arms folded would have shown him up for the huffy wee bairn that he is. I hope nobody touches the rat with a bargepole. Just a shame he's already made enough to sit back and rest on his laurels.

A fair few favours being called in this week.

So he's personally financed a couple signings? Whoop-dee-fuckin-doo! Each and every one of us has 'personally financed' the club over the years but the difference is we were constantly doing so. He's only decided to chip in after cutting back so much that it now it looks like we're going to drop a division. Where was his money to personally back managers whilst they were flying high in Europe?