Superstar Tradesman

I actually doubt we would but I don't think we'd be that far off as I'm certain Hibs, Hearts, United..... would also be on much the same points. For example Hearts have won a cup, finished 2nd and had a few other trips into Europe so that's a few 3 pointers there to match ours. Hibs have done well in the cup competitions over the years so they'll have raked up a few points that way. My point was that the whole league is very close and teams can easily finish a few places down just because of bad luck like injuries, weather/fixture pile ups or refereeing decisions. I honestly don't see anything in the non-O.F. teams that screams 'Third Force' and that's been indicated by no team being really any better off that another. To say "we should be" this, that and the other is just stupid, there's just no logic to it. The simple fact is we are no better and that will continue until the debt has gone.

Why am I not? If you were to take each team in the SPL (not including the O.F.), break them down into monetary units and throw those amounts into a tombola type calculator, for example: [ground] + [training facilities] + [fans] + [corporate] + [debt] + [wages] + [blah] + [blah] + [blah] – the answers would all come out roughly the same = zero/shite/roughly the same. Of course the Stoney’s of this world are going to say “But we pay more in wages!â€, but then I’ll put forward the notion that we have to pay more to entice them up to Aberdeen, away from the central belt. Other than the fans singing “We’re by far the greatest team……..â€, I’m still waiting for someone to explain to me what God given right do we have to be the automatic third placed team each season? Look at any team sheet on a Saturday and there are 2 or 3 players from each team who could walk into our starting 11. There’s also probably double that of ours that wouldn’t be in with a shout at starting anywhere else. The league is poorer but we’re getting stronger? Really? In what way? I can’t see why we’re any different and I’m surprised to read that people think that given the start we’ve had. Two of our top earners (Seve & Smith) haven’t kicked a ball in years, Zander hasn’t really recaptured the form he showed a few seasons ago and we’ve let most of our first team walk and then replaced them with benchwarmers like Young, Mair and Duff. Take the rosy red specs off lads, we’re no better than anyone else in the league and the scraps that the O.F. leave over each season is as good as won by any of the other 10 pulled out of a hat at random. It would be really interesting to see a league table of all the non-O.F. SPL teams that have played in the league since it started, with the following points awarded: 3 – Cup win, Won a game in Europe. 2 – Cup final runner up, 3rd place in SPL. 1 – Semi final of a cup, Top 6 finish. Anyone on here honestly able to pick a clear winner? It’s all much of a muchness if you ask me. i.e. Shite.

Pun jokes aside, we seem to be forgetting the issue here. Back on topic: Fuck the Huns.

What trophy is anyone other than an O.F. manager is going to win our shit league? David Moyes didn't even manage to get Preston promoted into the Premiership before he was offered the Everton job. Would you call Moyes a poor manager because he hasn't won any trophies or the league title for the team he's managed over the last 6 or 7 years? I'd be surprised if any Everton fans who have half a braincell wants rid of him and I'd be surprised that anyone paying any attention to their club thinks he's done a poor job. "But we have a shit league...........blah, blah, blah........." Again, I'll ask: Why should Aberdeen Football Club should be any better than Hearts, Hibs or United given that they have shite training facilities, are millions in debt, no real youth set-up until recently, etc, etc, etc?

Last I heard he was Director of Football at Pittodrie. Wherever the fuck that is.

That was your real Da.

The league is shite for two reasons: 1. Clubs have no money. 2. We're not producing any good players. Now if anyone can tell me why Aberdeen Football Club should be any better than Hearts, Hibs or United given that they all fall into those catagories then I'm all ears. Motherwell got third last year and are no where, we were third the year before and stuttering this season, Hibs won a string of a half dozen games and won a cup but have done little else since. That's just the SPL for you and until we clear our debt or start producing good homegrown talent then that's what you're faced with.

AC/DC Live. Just to see what all the long, frizzy haired fuss was about.

Meh.

From where we were when he took over then I'd say they were achievements. I'd be interested to hear what exactly he could do to move out of his 'comfort zone' though. Having played and managed abroad and then took over one of the top Scottish sides who were struggling and gave them their most stable period in about 15 years.

You boys are bonkers.

Tommy Wright?

I'll agree. But I'm also not naive enough to believe that they wouldn't have stayed if we'd offered them the same wages as they are currently on. Although that article takes plenty swipes to sully the name of AFC, it also highlights something that I firmly believe to be the current problem at Pittodrie; The board had a chance to build on some real solid foundations after the European trips and took a step backwards instead.

Rocket salad?

That's never stopped Charlie Allan.

I’ve read some shite in my time but that’s up there, it really is. If you can find any proof of that I’d be shocked, stunned and amazed. The league standings aren’t decided by your resources, money, debt, support or otherwise. If so then we’d let accountants do some sums at the start of the season and then we can all sit and look at a bonny list of 12 teams which mean fuck all in the way of football. Meanwhile, back in the real world: 22 blokes run around on a field with 1 making strange decisions that influence the game in weird and mysterious ways that nobody can really quite fathom. Anything can happen during those 90 minutes and if you multiply that by the number of games in a season then it’s just about anybodies guess. The reason is that these startling resources you and Stoney keep banging on about are fuck all in comparison to the other teams out with the O.F. “But Calderwood has spent X, Y, Z in the past 1, 2, 3 seasons………..blah-dee-blah!â€. Well guess what, he’s fucking had to as we were the laughing stock of the SPL. Not the Dundee that’s now fucked, the Motherwell who was minutes from switching the lights off, not the Lego factory workers halfway between Edinburgh and Glasgow. Us. We were being managed We were being managed by a man who had MADE IN CHINA stamped on his arse, had a flower that squirted water pinned to his lapel, chain smoked on the touchline and made funny remarks about our heavy defeats. The next one was too hungover to manage all that or even manage the team so he had a kip in the boot of a car and someone drove off to the scrap yard without knowing he was there. Nobody is saying this is where we want to be, nobody is lapping in the glory of semi finals, I'd very much doubt anyone of these JIG's that you bang on about think JC is the 'special one' but he's certainly a step in the right direction if you ask me. We've made a profit for the first time in a decade, we're actually selling players for hard cash, we're no longer ashamed to tell people who we support, we're no longer expecting a humping from anyone (although defeats happen from time to time) and we're no longer the sinking ship that we once were. My biggest gripe is that we don't seem to build on our successes and it's back to square one each season. That and having to read your pish about how we're in shite-state and that it's all doom and gloom. As for Stoney, he puts more into our rival's coffers than he does to AFC so I just find his ramblings about our shite players ridiculous. JMG? JIG? No, Jimmy is the manager of our team and until he stops improving us each season then I don’t see any reason to ask for his head.

Of course we do. But Ebbe's trophey haul ranks with that of Calderwood. So why the hard-on over two cup finals where we were embarrassed? That's no benchmark, that's just one one-off game more than the one-off game you said you're not interested in. I was suicidal over the semi defeat because I knew we were in with a chance of winning the cup. Neither of the two finals under Ebbe did anyone give us any hope of beating the Huns or Tims as they were fucking us hard in the mouth every other time we played them. I'd fancy our chances against either of them these days.

I think he means people who like to see the team win.

Yeah but how long was the celebratory conga?

I take it that's for wins? What about draws? Otherwise we'd be finishing below those two every season.

I remember the Hutton tackle quite well too. The only other time I remember him going in hard when I thought to myself "That's it min, get stuck in!!" he was carted off injured and didn't play again for about 6 weeks.

Mizer - as Jager pointed out, I find it strange that you're give a thumbs up that the Dons aren't winning as many games this season. What sick sort of pride do you get from that? Here's a quote from another genius that I think sums it up:

Read your post and thought 'cunt'.

It gets started because certain people would do anything to say "I told you so, I was right from the start, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, me, me, me, all me". Of course that's 200 games they'll have been saying it for on Saturday and they're no closer to being 'proven' right. They're willing to believe anything that shows the club in a bad light, somehow ironically to show they are 'real' fans.

"How does that compare with the likes of Levein, McGhee, Mowbray, Williamson, McLeish (pre-Huns), Jeffries, Hughes, etc?", he asks lazily.