RicoS321

Do we need a replacement for Clarkson? Thelin doesn't want to play in a way that suits him, so it would be very frustrating (and unsurprising) if we started doing so after he goes. We need a box to box midfielder. Physical and physically fit. The guy Just isn't as good as Clarkson either.

Christ, he's been reading this forum. It's a stupid idea. It's because of people in his position (not him) were unable to think of the consequences of a decision that we have fucking VAR in the first place. Why would putting an arbitrary time limit increase accuracy? That's the reason we've got this shite in the first place apparently. How would it help me in the ground being able to properly celebrate a goal? How would we display this one minute timer in the ground? What happens when the decision timer prevents VAR wankers making an accurate call because they couldn't sort their technology in time? What happens for handball calls like Knoester's one the other day, where it very clearly struck his hand? What happens with offside, where the technology - the only thing more accurate than the linesman in 90% of cases - takes longer than one minute to setup? Why is clear and obvious subject to time at all? This solves absolutely none of the problems associated with VAR. It's also completely unworkable for very obvious reasons. As soon as an incorrect call (involving one of two teams) stands because VAR couldn't get its shite together, the answer will be to either expand the time for the call, or allow the VAR team to request a "time delay" or something shite. Because one minute is completely fucking arbitrary, and still shite. Why does VAR have to succeed? Why can there be no way back? Why do we have to make the shite thing less shite rather than just say it is shite? Why is Cormack pretending to be powerless, rather than saying that he wants VAR removed from our game, and he'll be talking to chairman and managers to push for it's removal?

He was at the Noah game wasn't he? We scored from corners against St Mirren

Fantastic finish from Nisbet, after a bit of a dodgy half. Difficult for Thelin to manage the squad with the schedule, but Aouchiche could have done with 20 minutes on the bench. First sub should have been a double too, it might have meant the second change could have been made later. Anyway, never in doubt and a great away result.

You think Devlin might get injured?

Who's on co comms?

You can say that again

Aye, it does seem to be the case that they go tanking upfield. Nilsen especially takes a decade to get back in. It's why most of us have been crying out for a midfielder to replace Ramadani. We also have the issue that either Knoester or Devlin push high up, and our midfielders seem incapable of spotting the hole and dropping in to cover. We haven't had a player that would do that since the dirty rat under McInnes, who was very good at covering fullbacks or centre half when they pushed on. It's a disciplined role, so wouldn't suit Shinnie or Clarkson, but it's not difficult. The other option is that we can tell the defenders not to push on as much, and simply push Milne into holding midfield ahead of the two, allowing our midfielders to push right up. A mix of the above that we can seamlessly move from and to would be good. Just needs time on the training pitch.

Fit's Careca up to these days?

Hilarious that Trump had to get a trophy bigger than the world cup one. How can a man in his position be such a fucking loser?

I think that response shows you don't understand how VAR works at all. The only way to tell if a player is offside some, or all, of the time is to have a camera that's in line. That's why the linesman runs up and down. The reason that we have VAR in the first place is because of screaming twats from England shouting "there's daylight!" (between players), completely unable to grasp the concept that if you spin the angle round to in-line then parallax ensures that the daylight disappears. As we see on so many of these decisions, the calls are nearly always tighter than first thought. There are two things that need to be seen in order to make a call better than that of the linesman. The first is that they need to choose the frame at which to present the offside (which is your 20 seconds gone), the second is that they either need a camera angle that is in line or lines added to remove parallax effect. Otherwise they are in a significantly worse position to make a call than the linesman. I'd be absolutely fuming if I was a linesman, having calls made by some cunt with a dodgy camera angle. The TV cunts should have been able to show VAR lines years before we were subjected to its shite on the pitch. At that point they would have realised that they were pointing out things that were 20cm off or on, and that all their pathetic whining wasn't really worth it. Have a look back at the offsides this season if you're bored. Try and find a single one where the linesman has it wrong, and the player is off by more than, say, half a yard. You won't find one. Or you might find one. If we're subjecting offside to the nebulous concept of "clear and obvious" as you seem to be suggesting, then we'll have as many of those calls as we do for the ball crossing the goal line. In other words, we'd be paying an absolute shite tonne of money for two decisions. Your idea wouldn't make VAR easier to live with because all it does, like it does already, is change the point of controversy. It doesn't somehow solve subjective decision making. The manufactured 20 second pish would likely see an end to spontaneous celebration completely. Because it's such a short wait, folk will instantly stay in their seats, or do some good awful "ohhhhhhhhhh"ING for the short period until they can cheer. It will become the celebration in and of itself. That's what VAR is and does, it's an entire abstract entity that sits above and away from the fitba game. Hovering above it like a slimy fucker, desperate to inject itself into the conversation, like the weird colleague that keeps attending the nights out, standing in the corner with their hand on their crotch. It's a cunt technology for cunts. It can't be made better.

Could anyone imagine Simon Murray's athletic body, beautiful hair, but with Stuart Armstrong's face? Tidy as fuck.

That's just as shite as VAR itself and solves nothing. Clear and obvious isn't defined by a time limit (because it cannot be defined by boundary). The first time the VAR cunts missed an incident that one of the scum was adamant was clear and obvious, but they couldn't get the camera angles in time, they'd change your arbitrary 20 seconds to 30 seconds, and so on. They'd rush to make a decision like last night's handball and just say it was handball because it hit the player's hand, and it's much, much quicker to spot handball, or "contact" rather than attempt to determine whether a foul has actually been committed. To be honest, it's one of the most cringey versions of VAR anyone could possibly think of. Imagine us all, sitting on the edge of our seats after every goal, perhaps counting down the 20 seconds with big grins on our faces, awaiting the result of our newly manufactured excitement. The players might do a huddle, Sky will give us a quick word from the VAR sponsors. As for most VAR calls, last night I sat in my seat with any excitement draining by the second. I genuinely couldn't have given a fuck what the outcome of any of the calls was by the time they were made. I don't need, or want, a manufactured "second cheer" after hearing the decision. I instantly assumed Lazetic was offside - as did the player - and didn't celebrate his first. None of this is removed by the 20 second rule. VAR is shite. It will always be shite. It is shite by definition. It cannot operate on subjective calls, and there aren't enough offsides in the world that could make it worthwhile for that either. I wish people would stop suggesting "ways to make VAR better". It's a completely flawed concept, which everyone knew in advance.

It takes three minutes to read the rules and work out what the fuck they actually mean. Clear and obvious has no defining boundaries and can't ever be quantified, which is the single most important reason why VAR can never, and could never, work. There is no such thing as clear and obvious as a state. It doesn't exist. Unless you change the rules so that all contact= foul, all contact with hand = handball, all players offside are offside (regardless of whether interfering with play etc). The handball rule has been changed to fit the technology. There is no reason why the rest can't be changed too by the powers that be.

Agreed. The second goal, Devlin has offered the guy the whole goal to aim for, whilst at the same time being close enough to the player that Mitov can't come off his line to narrow the angle like he normally would. The player angles to put it in the far corner, and just wraps his foot round it a bit to fool the keeper. It's an easy save with only the near post to aim for. The second is just a case of throwing your body towards the ball and 9 out of 10 times it hits you. It was a very good header, right into the ground. It was his all round play that wasn't at it last night. He was struggling to hold onto it on the first attempt. I noticed their keeper was the same, but the conditions weren't particularly bad. I don't think it's a coincidence that we lose goals the way we attacked last night. Nisbet and Lazetic both gave the ball away trying to do too much around our box late on, and Karlsson generally isn't a reliable defender. I think it's a combination of the attacking setup and the tiredness of our players. Quite a few looked spent around 80 minutes, and that leads to raggedness. The sort of thing you might get away with if you'd chosen a stuffy, narrow approach to the game.

I mentioned earlier in the thread about how Karlsson would be on earlier than JT would normally make subs. It's unusual for us to make a sub before the hour mark. He almost always makes a double change at >=65 minutes (around the time he took on Lazetic). I said to my mate when Karlsson came on that it needed a double sub, because we were crying out for it. I hadn't considered the implications of the injury of course, but hopefully it's a lesson learned. The mistake was taking on Karlsson before Lazetic, and after half time. He has probably got to decide to do one or the other next time. The other subs were probably necessary. I'm not totally convinced we needed a double sub at the end, but it wouldn't have mattered with the three sub "windows".

That's what VAR does, and always has, done. It removes context via still shots and slow motion replay and asks the referee "can you see a foul here?". The reason that the ref is given a still shot is because the VAR lads will have deemed (correctly) that there was no foul on Knoester, and so the decision left to be made is whether or not it strikes his hand. Which is obviously ridiculous. The context of why his hand is in that position in the first place being completely omitted is unsurprising. It's fairly simple. The player wasn't being unsporting, wasn't trying to gain an advantage, had no reason to handle the ball, and didn't attempt to handle it. All of this can easily be determined in real time by the referee, and could easily be determined by the VAR lads too, but with context removed it becomes a "does ball hit hand" call, with a frantic discussion over how to interpret the rules that are only there in the first place because of VAR. The worst thing to happen to football, ever. Including Mark Hateley.

It's the wind! Agreed, we do get caught under the ball a lot. Rubi was really bad for it in the early Thelin period, but Milne has more than his fair share. It is his job to be the aggressive one, so I suppose he is going to make more errors in the air (because he headers it more). I don't think it's down to tactics or anything, just consistent individual errors. Knoester usually lets it bounce, Milne misses it, and Devlin doesn't get distance on them. It's why we need three defenders and not two.

Aye, I think he lost his bearings having not expected Milne to make a cunt of it. Should have been right across and forced the guy wide. Not like him. I also think Mitov wasn't as bad at the third as suggested. It's a really good header down at his feet, as he's running across goal. One of those ones that if he had saved it they'd have said "he didn't know much about it" as they generally just hit you. He was honking for the disallowed goal of course.

It's all these foreigner throw-ins these days, where they bend forward and throw it downwards to the player's feet. Perfectly legal, but it looks suspicious. Their throw leading up to the disallowed goal was ridiculous.

Forgot to mention, Karlsson's bit of skill to pass to Nisbet was world class. He played well when he came on, should be a sub more often.

I think that's been cancelled in modern fitba. They're supposed to be able to take it down, pirouette and play a sixty yard pass to feet. I was a distance from it, but I didn't think he had the chance to deal with it before the bounce, but would need to see it again.

Aye, just home, good game. Very entertaining. A few costly mistakes from all over the park, and off it with the subs. Some really good performances, with Aouchiche probably the only one really off it tonight. Our legs had thoroughly gone by the end, and it showed. Polvara looked knackered, as did the three defenders. I can understand the five subs because of that, but I think Keskinen could have managed to see the game out, with Armstrong looking a little knackered so understandably taken off. A bit unlucky for Thelin I guess, you probably don't expect your sub to go off. VAR does nothing for football. It's making calls that don't matter, and taking fucking ages to do so. It needs to be binned. It's not the operators, as has been seen in Europe, it's anti-sport shite in every single country.

I wonder if we'll see Karlsson on much quicker than our subs have been being made of late? I'm surprised (and pleased) he's not starting, but wouldn't be surprised to see him on at halftime, despite other players not being afforded that in recent games.

Shelter from the Storm is a tune.