RicoS321

I'm surprised at foster to be honest, he's got a bit more of a brain than most. I don't think even McInnes will genuinely believe he deserved much more time. There are very few businesses where a manager will be kept indefinitely if deserving of the sack, it's quite a bizarre notion really. I could understand if they were saying he should be given more time to turn it around (they'd be wrong), but to say that we should keep an underperforming member of staff because you might employ a shitter one is idiotic.

Yes, it's clear to see the gap between now and 2017, which also makes it easy to see how small changes in personnel can have a big impact at our level (nobody's suggesting McInnes should still be here). It's not like McInnes gave up, or tried to play worse, it was purely down to poor signings (and an inability to change things in a game), which is a problem we've seen our managers and hearts and Hibs managers have at various points over the years. McInnes actually got a good points return on some pish signings (usually by playing turgid fitba). I'm massively concerned about our ability to recruit players as a club, and I don't think a new manager will solve that. A temporary uptick as the new guy brings in folk he knows from recent employment perhaps. I'd like to think that Cormack only has to make one good appointment and he'd heavily lean on that director of football to appoint a manager. I'd prefer to see that approach, I don't think we've got the football knowledge in house - or at Atlanta - to make a decent appointment.

I'm finding it really difficult not to suggest going for Derek McInnes when I see some of these names being suggested. It's actually a really difficult process, I'm glad I'm not having to do it! I don't think it was the wrong decision to bin McInnes, but there a lot of managers out there who aren't an improvement. Not sure I've seen a name yet that I think would comfortably improve us in a sustained way. Perhaps the timing of this Europa change next year will work in our favour here.

Does the team managed have any bearing on the ability of the manager? They have to start somewhere. Goodwin is already more experienced and lower risk than glass, Maloney, Fletcher etc. Is a successful manager at a lower club better than a failure at a bigger club, like Lambert? I'd say so. If we are going for an experienced manager, then he's someone that will have failed elsewhere or else he's out of our budget. The question is whether or not managing at a bigger club teaches you things that a smaller club wouldn't (that isn't general knowledge, like some of the sport science things), and are those things even applicable to the dons, more than say getting by on a tight budget that you'd learn at a smaller club? Also, when we talk about inspiring the fans with the next appointment, does that have any bearing on how good the manager is? Fletcher would inspire the fans, but he could be absolute horse shit as a manager. As far as I can see, the two have absolutely no link. Inspire often doesn't mean inspire either, it can usually be substituted for unusual/different/unexpected, which are not the same thing. I expect many of us were more excited by the signing of Zola/Gleeson/Forrester/Maynard than Ferguson, but it had zero correlation to ability. I'd say that Goodwin is as good as any other name I've heard so far, because I think he's good at managing football teams (I thought so when he was with Alloa too). I have zero idea about any of the other names suggested, apart from proven pish like Lambert.

Agreed. He's one of the most uninspiring candidates in the history of football. I also don't think he's been very successful as a manager.

He said that he was just having a laugh with Jim White and he doesn't know at all. Maloney's a Tim I think, but obviously grew up here. He's a bit small to make it in management too. To be honest, if we're going down the Glass or Maloney route with director of football, I'd think Robson would be just as good a shout. I'm not saying that would be my preferred option.

Aye, but he scored the winner against the Huns in 98. Header, too. Great player.

Aye, that about sums it up stooge. Harsh on Cosgrove perhaps! Wilson was actually given as many starts as Cosgrove before he went on his scoring run. One of the other persistent issues with McInnes was that every season he would dick about forever trying to find his best team, never giving one consistent setup time to bed in (this season very much a repeat of that). We'd always go on a run of points when he eventually worked it out (and worked out just to leave it). The apollon game was the biggest failure for me, but I wouldn't describe the performance as meek, rather predictable after scraping the home leg. It was crystal clear that we needed to buy a striker before that game, and we had the open goal of the shitey Danish team - already drawn - to get us the money spinning group stages. I'd love to hear the inside track on that. It was such a massive fuck up, and not in hindsight either. McInnes should have been battering down Milne's door to get a deal done that week, and Milne should have been insisting that we brought forward any recruitment the manager needed to secure the win (or draw). The fact that we went and bought May the week after was like rubbing salt in the wound, we should have just saved the money. I still can't fathom it. I have no doubt McInnes would still be in a job had we won that one as it'd have set us up for a couple of years and allowed us to replace the players who exited. For me, that was our turning point. Also, I think you've neglected the club's role in all this. If they had concerns about McInnes' recruitment (which they should have), they should have offered significantly greater support. McInnes didn't scout guys like Wilson, Ojo, Forrester etc that's as much a club failure as manager and I think that if we don't put something in place that's better, then the next manager will be in the same place in 18 months time. McInnes was given far too much responsibility and I think that's a structural issue that requires changing. Finally, I don't believe Bryson was on anything like £7k per week!

I'd love to see the club announce the signing of Judas as the new manager just to wind up tup.

Atlanta are after £230,000 for him apparently, probably not worth it.

Just get Jess back. Fuck everybody else.

And since then, Yogi is turning county into a feared set of world beaters. Goodwin is probably the only manager I'd consider in Scotland, however I wouldn't pay the money st Mirren would want as he'd still be a risk. I'm surprised that Maloney hasn't been mentioned. Probably not big enough to make it in management.

There's a young assistant manager at Stockport county who's been touted for big things. Probably be a bit of compensation, but in my opinion would be worth the stretch. Exactly the type of guy that could take us forward. He's interested in another job, so we'd need to act quickly.

Aye, I saw that after I posted. The Collins malkay dream team.

Good stuff. He can have no complaints. Did his best, with a lot of professionalism and has left the club in a significantly better position than when he started. He wasn't a disgrace by any stretch, and the club did the right thing by him, giving him every chance to succeed. Collins has just expressed an interest in the Tims job, so expect we'll do a McGhee scenario and offer him the dons job once he's heard back from them.

Possibly, I'm wasn't really talking about a manager though. In Romanov's case, I just meant that he was willing to speak out against the scum on occasion, but he didn't have a deep enough understanding for it to hit the mark, which was frustrating. It meant it was easily batted away, and filed under "crazy foreigner". As a dons fan, Cormack has enough experience of Scottish football to make a strong, evidence-based case, but it'd have to be a sustained, consistent attack on the setup backed with some of the ideas that exist in yank sport. Unless you attack the structure of the game in this country, you won't do that, that's the point. Tinkering with the manager isn't going to change that (I'm not saying: keep McInnes), we have 36 years of evidence spanning hundreds of managers (across the SPFL). We can see where we are on our current budget, with our best total of 76 points (when everything went right), low end 62ish. To get to 80 points consistently you're probably looking at double our budget, realistically, over several years. To do that, you either need a benefactor who you're beholden to in the English style, a massive intake of new revenue from all the hidden dandies out there waiting for a new stadium or whatever is holding them back since before Fergie was here, or Europa League football regularly at group stages (creating a three tier system in the SPFL as opposed to the current two). Once you're at that 80 points, you review the options then to see if there are avenues to take that up to 90, which might guarantee a few league wins. What it isn't, is an overnight project, and it's certainly not something a change in manager will bring about, it needs far more than that. We'll see what happens in the coming year with the shitey European changes, that could offer the new manager opportunity, but it will be through good fortune of timing rather than ability.

He is just a part of a board. He's responsible to shareholders. The one/only good thing about Romanov at hearts was that he was sole owner, and was willing to say what he thought. Unfortunately he was a charlatan too, with little understanding of Scottish football.

It's interesting/bizarre that you have stated zero managerial attributes. I personally think we should be looking at blonde hair, to get away from all the brown and grey haired managers that we've been employing lately. I mean there must be some good albino managers out there? It's not like we're moving to summer football anytime soon.

It is pathetic. If only someone in the game would actually mention it. I'd buy a ten year season ticket if Cormack started holding that shite to account.

I would doubt that there is any mutual agreement in place, it'd be very unusual. It'll cost us, significantly, and that's a big part of why Cormack will be holding out. Quite rightly so. He'll take into account the effect on season ticket sales and act when the time is right. With Hibs making more of a cunt of it than us yesterday, third isn't strictly done yet, so he'll likely allow McInnes to fail as per the club's strategy, which might give them more leeway in any sacking (probably not). I think it's fairly important to allow that for the sake of the next appointment too, you really don't need any: "if we'd just given him a bit more time" opportunities (especially when McGhee returns for his glorious second spell). I'm assuming it'd be gardening leave for McInnes and Docherty, so we continue to pay them until they get work elsewhere, at which point we'll pay the difference between their current and new salaries for the season. I've heard varying degrees of speculation on McInnes' salary, but I don't believe them. I'm guessing, all in, we'd be looking at £300-500k for the pair of them. A couple of very good players, like Ojo and Forrester.

Fuck sake, I didn't notice Hibs had prolonged matters by making a cunt of it too.

That was turgid stuff. Very difficult to watch. First 20 minutes, being generous, you could see us winning by two or three, they work us out and slow the game down completely and we're out of ideas. Too frightened to take off any of his big name midfielders, he decides to play McLennan in a position he's proven unequivocally shite in. He's got one fucking position, and it's right side of midfield as wing back or winger. It took away any momentum we might have gained from the sub. Then he takes nine fucking minutes to take on Kennedy, before a three minute cameo for Ruth. Just recognise the fucking urgency with half an hour to go and if you intend playing Ruth then get him on as part of a double sub. It's like he thinks: I'll try McLennan up front and when that fails and his confidence is lower, I'll move him wide where he prefers to play. Being fucking awful at changing things is completely fine when you're grinding out points, but as soon as you actually need to make game changing moves to win points or even just score goals you're absolutely fucked. Third place almost mathematically gone, no point in holding out further. He's been given time to fail on his own terms, and has failed.

Not too bad, they just look frightened to score, which is understandable given recent weeks. They're not giving us any trouble. Hendry not been great, maybe take Anderson off their bench for the last five minutes. Expect us to win this.

Going for the 3-5-2 by the looks of it (McGeouch in for Campbell), with a ridiculously one dimensional midfield. McGinn and Hayes in the wing back roles. Should be enough to beat accies.

Shows how far removed I am, I assumed they had a few weeks before they could win the league. Gads.