RicoS321

I agree. Not as player obviously, but as assistant. I think it's bizarre that we're getting in one third of a management team earlier than the rest. It's a recipe for disaster. First impressions of the players are hugely important as we learned with McGhee. Glass will need all the support he can get from day one. If there's any dissent from staff or players he'll struggle to get a handle on it without help. Hopefully he'll get a smooth ride. I'd prefer to see him in the stands until his assistant, at least, can join him.

Aye, but the chairman has a mate, who has a mate who's mates with him so he's in.

We had no problems, as a club, signing goodwillie.

Got to be a sacking for Nielsen. Worst result in the cup history I'd say, even despite hearts being championship pish.

I suggested it. We're talking about racism here, it goes beyond Logan and Brown. I think it's the right thing to do. Let me be clear, I don't have an issue with Brown and I don't think his actions at that time are indicative of his person now. I just think that if you're serious about tackling racism in the game then something has to be said. I'd be entirely fine with Brown not apologising, but not if we're going to continue to take the knee and involve ourselves with the kick racism out campaigns. It has to be one or the other, otherwise it's just tokenism and a waste of everyone's time. I'd rather AFC didn't bother with it if when it comes to the crunch they just bury it.

Yep. None of the other chairman's mates new anything about managing a football club. What was he supposed to do?

Aye, that fucking reeks of the Tims. Next it'll be the AFC family. Fucking horrendous chat.

Apologies, I posted before reading, I forgot my actual point! What I take issue with is the instruction of "let's get behind" or "everyone needs to get behind". If people have got valid concerns then they absolutely need to raise these. It's vitally important. I'm happy for us to disagree, I'm not happy to be told what to think. It's that sort of shite that had us on the path to a stadium in Aberdeenshire, six miles from the biggest public transport hub in the region. People told that we all need to get behind something. Whether it's brexit, independence, the dons manager it's massively important that people with issues voice them, not let themselves be drowned out and respond to evidence as it makes itself available. One of the biggest problems with not having due process in place is that this will happen again. Just as it did under Milne. Not only that, but if the message from the top is that it's fine to sign yer mates, then that propagates down the way. I here broony already has a few of his Dubai chums lined up to join the party (obviously, I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea).

Fair enough. If you think there are no questions to be answered with regard to the appointment and our relationship with Atlanta, that's fine. I think that's either an exceptionally naive, or exceptionally partisan position to take based on the glaring evidence.

Absolutely, there are plenty of ways it could help. Objectively, though, it's a biased decision. He's been elevated above others because of his relationship. I don't know for certain that he was lined up, it's speculation on the evidence. I have a very strong suspicion. It had been rumoured as far back as two seasons ago from memory, that wasn't guesswork, they're good friends. The classic name dropping of Fergie, to highlight the importance of the relationship between the manager and the chairman was a good tactic though, I have to admit. I think you'll struggle to find anyone who thinks the decision wasn't made before sacking McInnes. I hope he gets his assistant in asap and uses the time available this season to good effect. Despite the massive questions about the process, the nepotism and our questionable links with Atlanta, I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do.

Fair enough. I'd have thought the attributes you mention would work the other way for him! In fact, those are the reasons I would want him here. Edit: I should add that it's completely understandable for you not to discuss the racism issue, but it's not acceptable for AFC to pretend it didn't happen. I hope a lot of dons fans find it unacceptable too and I hope Logan makes his thoughts public too (unless he isn't bothered by it).

Grow up. We don't need to be told to get behind a manager, we're not fucking morons. We can objectively look at a situation and call out the glaring issues that present themselves. We don't have to blindly support every single decision in some partisan unquestioning manner. Glass will get everyone's support. There's nothing that he's done wrong.

He's employing his mate in a preordained process. I can almost guarantee that Glass was lined up to be manager the minute Cormack walked in the door. There was no process from our process guy, there was simply a sign off at board level. He didn't make an educated appointment, he made a heavily biased decision. It's exactly why we needed a director of football. It might work out. He comes across well.

That's not the definition of narrow mindedness I'm afraid. Nobody on here is lamenting the fact that he's a Tim. He's a racist apologist who called a black Aberdeen player a liar and hasn't apologised since. There's nothing narrow minded about expecting a club like AFC, who projects itself as a family club and takes the knee to reject racism to expect a prospective candidate to publicly address, and apologise for, his prior acts of gaslighting. That's nothing to do with football, that's something you either expect your club to stand for or not. I don't believe that Brown is a racist, so he should have no problems addressing the point. I think that would show him, and the club in a fantastic light and show that he's matured enough to be in management at a club like AFC. I have absolutely no doubt that AFC will not address it and neither will the fans. Which is fine, as long as we can all the show racism the red card stuff too as it's clearly not something we believe in.

Exactly. There is absolutely no relationship between being a good businessman and appointing a good Aberdeen manager.

That's the spirit!

It's fine, it's difficult to get the right expression, I get what you mean. I have to admit, if I were chairman I'd be appointing Brown on the understanding that he made a public apology to Logan. I think that would take balls and show some class at the same time. He's never apologised for his part and so it's impossible for Logan to forgive. I have absolutely no doubt that Brown still thinks he did nothing wrong and the past weekend's events reinforce that. It must be fairly fucking shite to be Logan right now. It's a long time ago and I don't think it's relevant to brown's character today, so a simple apology would go a long way. Without it, I think this is a little bit like the signing of goodwillie. There's a suggestion that the two paths might not cross, but are we really going to be holding on until summer to get our assistant manager in? That fucking reeks too, very similar to the McGhee situation. We need him here now so that Glass has all the support required to build a rapport with the players and get his processes and systems in place. It's fucking amateur not to.

What the fuck? There's nothing for Scott Brown to rise above. He was a vicTim blaming moron, unapologetically excusing racism.

Can you point to a single person on here suggesting they wouldn't get their support? You're arguing against a point nobody is making. We're completely correct to question the appointment of an inexperienced manager. We're right to question the motives behind that appointment from our board. Otherwise, what's the point?

Our job as fans is to question the decisions of the club. Glass is not at fault here, nor Brown, so there is no question that they'll be given backing. However, at no point were we told that Atlanta would be grooming our next manager. In a supposed age of transparency, we're correct to be questioning this relationship and where it takes us.

Thank god Cormack went through his process, otherwise we could have appointed a manager of zero experience and an assistant known for throwing his toys out of the pram when things don't go his way who also accused our right back of lying about being racially abused. No wonder Logan was off golfing at the weekend. Hopefully we'll get someone in above them to direct things, Cormack is in Atlanta and doesn't have the ability regardless. If we can get a good season out of Brown (I have serious doubts) then that'll be key to his success as I don't believe that he has the temperament or intelligence for the assistant role. Putting him in our midfield might actually do wonders for Ferguson as Brown will force him to do all the legwork which is what he needs and allow McRorie to move back when ash moves on. However it could go the other way very quickly too, and we're left with a player lamenting the end of his career, at odds with the manager for telling him so and finding that being a good player has no bearing on your coaching ability. He seems to have a lot of respect for Glass, given he was his mentor at Hibs, so hopefully he'll keep him in line. Fuck knows, it might work.

Probably just brown's agent trying to get a better offer from the Tims. Hopefully.

The reasons I stated. Every manager fails at some point, as do the majority of players. It doesn't turn them into bad managers. Rooney was excellent for us despite failing previously, and a hundred others. McInnes failed at Bristol but was successful when he came here, and will probably be successful elsewhere too. Often it just needs the right fit and a new lease of life and a player or manager will start firing again.

Aye, you're probably right. I was really meaning the last couple of seasons and I thought they'd hit over 50% rate, which is a success in my book, but I'm probably wrong on that. That's the thing, recruitment really isn't easy and expecting anything more than three in every five signings to be successful is unfair. Over the last three seasons our success rate was below that, but also we had a number of players who were of almost zero use that negatively impacted our youth player opportunities. A manager like Neil would stand a better chance of getting that ratio of failed signings down, but I think we also need to identify the weaknesses in our backroom that led to poor signing strategy.

Would any of them be worth the price though? Are they actually good managers? Or just "big names"? I wouldn't be enamoured with any of them. The manager you employ has to be relevant to the league and budget within which you operate. One of the reasons that Gerrard has managed to finally get success at the hun is because it was a very good fit for him. He could get players at the lower-mid end of the Liverpool cast-off pool whom he knew were good players. With a decent knowledge of the game down south at the hun level of salary, and an extremely competent staff behind him (especially in recruitment), they've seen a lot less failures in the transfer market. If he'd come to Aberdeen, for example, he would have struggled to do that because we'd never be affording Kent or Aribo (let alone Defoe) and he wouldn't have had the recruitment staff to mitigate his lack of knowledge in our market. From that perspective, Neil is a far better fit than any of the above. He'll know good Championship players within our budget, he's got a good understanding of the game in Scotland. He's had succesful periods as a manager in Scotland and England. What would be the point in Van Bommel if he's only got the budget for Calvin Zola? What would he bring other than a cheap thrill to the fans for a few months until he's inevitably found out? What makes Mark Hughes a good manager?