RicoS321

It is a cool beard like.

Who the fuck are you talking to? I've managed to have a meaningful debate - as someone who's against the proposal - with everyone here without being "attacked", and neither are you being. Stop being such a dick and address the questions asked of you. No-one on here is hugely overwhelmed by the kingsford location, so a sensible argument would probably get a lot of reasoned responses. If there is to be a "wakey wakey" moment for Milne and Yule, then you'll still be a dick.

Fit?

Eh? You're not even backing up your own point here. Rhodes plays for Sheffield Wednesday in the Championship, the league in which a lot of our players play in (including Cooper). The dons have arguably played against better teams this season than any championship side (the Tims are better than any Championship side for example, plus we played in europe). The difference between Championship and SPL is negligible (SPL is possibly worse, but also different style). Let's say it is worse though, Strachan's job isn't to pick players based on which league they play in, his job is to pick players who are on form and good enough. Your (and Strachan's) method of selection sees players on the bench for championship sides playing ahead of those playing consistently for the second best team in the SPL. That simply doesn't add up. Grant Hanley only playing 8 games in the championship this season should make him ineligible. I'm not making an argument for dropping Snodgrass here, the talent is not "abundant" at that level as you suggest. The notion that the Scotland manager has no duty to the game in this country is perhaps a fair one. I think he should. When things are borderline, he should always side with the SPL. We can see with the interest in tonight's game how ignoring the game in your own country fairs. You mention that You name Scott Brown, who has been excellent in his Scotland career. I've been to many games where he was the best player on the park. That doesn't mean I think he should retire and un-retire at will however. Darren Fletcher has also had an excellent Scotland career with some great games. It's noticeable that the people who criticise him don't generally see him in the flesh (that's not a criticism of you by the way), as his covering of the back four of camera and work off the ball in general is excellent. Hutton is a perfect example of what I mention above, where a player is simply included because of the league he plays in. A fit Hutton could be amazing, but an unfit Hutton was like playing with a man down.

What?

Really? I don't buy it. I think the club are overstating the "facilities" on offer. It's basically a bunch of fitba pitches. Perhaps a gym if it opens to the public. There is a hotel at the Prime 4 (Village?) with a swimming pool and gym. There are several fitba pitches in Westhill, closer to the town centre. I just don't see it as even a requirement of the local area, never mind something that might garner a lot of use. One of the major drawbacks of the facilities being right next door to the ground is that they probably won't be able to be used on a Saturday between midday and 6pm. I play(ed) in a block booking at ASV every week between 12:00-13:00 or sometimes 13:00-14:00. It was always busy. Saturday afternoons are a good time to be open if yer selling fitba pitch space. Also, and less of an issue, block bookings will be regularly affected by games being moved to Saturday lunchtime, Sunday etc. When you have as many different sites to choose from, you'd probably choose the one that allowed a fixed time for x number of weeks. I think that last point would be offset by the "AFC effect" though of being able to play at AFC's training ground. Finally, if we were a community club, then we wouldn't be moving out of a community to a dual carriageway. It's no more "community" than Asda Portlethen.

I'll be honest, it took me a few seconds to remember whether he was a hun or a tim.

I have a question.

^^^^This. It is an obligation and it should be hammered home. If Jack leaves in the summer, citing lack of international recognition, the club should go to town and sue the SFA. That'd set the cat into the chicken-hoose. The SPL should be the default for the manager, not some no-mark Leeds cunt with a Scottish friend of the neighbour. Even if it is tokenism and he doesn't believe in it, it's hugely important to promote the game from within. I've been to a lot of Scotland games over a number of years and I enjoy it, but it's really difficult these days when you see the snub to our own league. I don't think it would be contentious to say that - at present - supporting Scotland is detrimental to Scottish fitba. I wouldn't suggest that people stop supporting them in their hooses, but I would strongly suggest that any Aberdeen fan didn't give money to the SFA in support of the national team (I went to the recent Hampden Lithuania game and those before and am happy to admit to being a part of the problem).

I agree with yer first point, not so sure about yer last. I think both grounds would see a short term increase in attendances. I don't think either would be sustained. I reckon our crowds are about the right size for the league we play in. With 4 games a season against each team (I ken, top 6 etc), I think the attendances are dispersed over the season as there are few big games due to their regularity. However, because of the reasons in your first point, I think attendances at Westhill would drop off significantly after 6-8 years unless something radical happens in the field of urban transportation. I don't necessarily think that's an unrealistic prospect either given technological advancement, but I wouldn't be betting my locating of a new stadium on it. At present, there seems little logic in the transportation strategy for Westhill. If I still lived in the centre of town, I would be hard-pressed to head out to Westhill on a shitey bus every week. I'd manage for a couple of seasons, but it really would give me an excuse to gie up my season ticket. As I'm South of the city, I'd drive, but I wouldn't be having 3 folk in my car. That'd likely mean having to pick someone up in town, which'd be a massive hassle. Which is one of the big points that gets missed. Depending on who I'm gan to the fitba with, they're either North of the City, West End of the city, the city centre or BOD (fariver the fuck that is). It's easy to converge on the city centre and pick up on the way if required. If there's a 3 person limit on cars, then that's a huge turn off for me as I wouldn't be able to comply. I don't suppose I'm the only one who meets others arriving in different vehicles/buses etc from different locations. I'm assuming they couldn't police this at Arnhall, and so in turn the parking for X number of cars with 3 people becomes ever more unrealistic. Anyway, ED you mention the (un)likelihood of people not going because of a small change in journey. I think that hugely underestimates the modern individual. A recent study I read by Microsoft and Google on the likelihood of websites being a success stated that by slowing a website down by 250milliseconds it will be abandoned over time. Convenience is paramount, that's how we've designed our society today (I'm not saying that's a good thing). Grown men actually go to the shops instead of the fitba today. It's fucked up, but out of sight out of mind Pittodrie will have to buck a few trends in order to get more folks through the door in a sustained fashion.

I guarantee you'd never heard of him, or seen him play, before his call up. Me neither obviously. Hopefully Strachan only continuing his pathetic reign for the next week, so I can take a wee bit of interest again.

Pittodrie is fucking cool.

Some good points ED, well put. However, the above is balls. I have driven to the vast majority of games this season as I haven't been having more than a pint (before the game, nae after). If I'm not drinking at all, I leave from about 8-9 miles South of the city at about 30-35 minutes afore kick off, with a pickup in Torry, and am parked and in the ground afore kick-off. If I'm early, I go to the Gallowgate or somewhere and have a pint in the centre of toon KGB, Blue Lamp or some such and then head to the game. It's really simple from the South and anyone who says it isn't, isn't doing it properly. As for whether or not it is in the shire, it isn't, but it's a hair's breadth. One thing for certain is that it absolutely isn't in Aberdeen. To answer Jute's question, there isn't another club in the UK that plays as far from the location from which they claim to be playing for. Whilst that might not be a big deal - certainly not in the short term - it is worth discussing. I'm not one for sentimentality, but I do understand identity, and Pittodrie has that. The location is very Ikea, very Stewart Milne Group - a meaningless nothing in the middle of nowhere, not part of anything. The journey to and from entirely soulless, no Castlegate, Marischal college, glass abomination or granite streets, shops and no beach, no sea. It's actually a perfect metaphor for the Scottish game; stripped of all meaning. It's line with 21st century building practices (expecially those of our chairman). It's designed for driving to and driving away from again, it's a commuter town like New Kintore, a Homebase/Asda Portlethen, an Altens industrial estate. A meaningless, soulless, shitehole. It perfectly encapsulates our Zombie society. Okay kids, as a treat, after the game we can go to Costco and buy a year's supply of cold meat. We'll be home by 17:45, and with these superb driving arrangements we'll barely miss a minute of sitting down in front of the TV and ignoring one another. Jute, there's an unsubstantiated 12,000 (it was 12,500, but lost another 500 recently) seater reason we can't re-develop Pittodrie. Tom and Manc have it covered pretty well in this thread with some good reasoning.

Welcome aboard Auntie Kingsford. I also think that the transport plans are absolutely shite and the location is also absolutely shite. Thanks for clarifying about the 7 - 7 split (or nae), that was my mistake. However, you've given people the opportunity to be faux-offended by your jew-based comments, which might just detract from yer other points a touch.

Shalk is just a diving little cunt. He's decent like, but doesn't have the pace to do any real damage. Certainly wouldn't replace McGinn. I actually think Jack will be just as hard to replace.

Is this not a bit like the Trump course though? In that it was a draw 7-a-piece, so the chairman is obliged to vote no until there is a consensus? It's not exactly an overwhelming objection, I can't see it making a difference.

It'll be interesting. Don't think McInnes has had this many first-teamers to replace since he took over (assuming Jack, McGinn and Taylor don't re-sign). It's a case of priorities I reckon, as there's a lot of spaces to fill. We're looking at 4 good players required, that have to hit the ground running and be able to get straight in the team. One defender, either a left back or right-sided centre back One midfielder to replace Jack One attacker to replace McGinn One striker to challenge Rooney That's going to be very difficult. If we can get Jack and McGinn to re-sign that'd take a lot of pressure off. Really focus on a good striker, with a defender being a secondary priority (I'd hate to see us sign pish, but there is room for error there with O'Connor, Reynolds and Considine all very capable of performing well in the SPL). If Jack and McGinn go, then priorities move to those two positions with a striker dropping down the list, which could cost us. I work on the assumption that you can generally only get one or two good (first-team good) signings in one window with our resources. Lewis and maybe Maddison were ours this season. We probably have a one-in-four success rate with signings. I'm not judging that figure, I suspect other teams are in a similar position (Kille, one-in-forty).

Interestingly, the PvdD - Pro animals party got 5 votes on a platform of promoting human-animal relations.

Nice one, thanks.

I did my al' Lexus one eence. It was a caker. It was like the cheats you used to get for C64/Amiga/Sega computer games to program it, and I got the details online. It was like: press brake 5 times, left indicator, right indicator, finger from mouth to hoop, hazard lights on, off, on etc etc. I thought it was a piss take at first, but it actually worked. Anyway, it's probably all changed, but I trust my story has helped greatly.

Yep, you could see that coming with the second episode. I said to the wife that they were rushing it too much and just springing unrealistic shite on people without previous background. Luckily they had covered the main character's previous history of a career in vehicle electronics extensively before last night's episode (wtf was that about?) to add to the realism. It was really poor from the BBC. It was great to see the recognisable weegie back-drop and the subject matter was sound, but I don't understand how any program commissioner could have sat through that last episode and thought that was an acceptable ending. There's some big-hitting box sets out there that the BBC is competing with and they really need to up their game. They went down the current fashionable route of bold-colour camera shots to make it look classy, but there was no substance whatsoever. The script really let down some good acting performances from the two birds especially. All it needed was to stretch it out to 6-8 parts and develop the plot a bit more. It was like they ran out of money. Frustrating like.

That'd be interesting to see in picture format. Did you take a photae as evidence? That's quite staggering. Whilst it's easy to say "don't buy a paper", that doesn't help the fact that others do. We don't prevent paedophilia by pretending it doesn't exist.

As a bit of background, it's from the folks who did league of gentleman. Whilst I liked LoG, I thought that the format of repeated characters (ala Fast show, Enfield etc) didn't really do it justice. Inside no 9 fits better into its own genre with different plots centred around an arbitrary theme (the number 9). It allows a broader scope and really tests their acting. It's then fine that some episodes aren't great and others are just genius. Try last night's one if you get a spare minute, it's phenomenal. Last series was good too. It's what BBC2 should be all about in my opinion. Regardless whether it's yer cup of tea or not, it pushes the boundaries and leaves you a bit stunned at the end.

If you go around each person in the vicinity of your seat saying "fit like, Rico?" you'll find me. Although I won't acknowledge you because I'm an ignorant cunt.

Inside no 9 again tonight. Class.