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That's why still photos (and I'd argue slow motion replays too) are completely and utterly useless in this type of situation. There was zero danger of a broken ankle because on contact, Shinnie pulls his leg backwards, significantly lessenning the impact - which you obviously don't see in the still photo. If you've got time, edit the video to show a photo of the county player standing on Shinnie's leg in the same challenge and make the comment: "the ref completely missed that one, that stamp could have wrecked his knee". You'd get full agreement from the VAR lads, who remove context from everything in order to do their shite jobs.

^^^This. The pertinent point that we should all be focusing on is that this incident would never, ever have been called up for a review after the game in normal times. Thus, VAR is now creating its own entire version of the red card, for which it is always correct in awarding. I heard thon wierdo Dougal talk about a red the other week on the "Vardict" thing on BBC, and he was telling us all how great it was for referees that VAR was spotting penalties (for handball) that wouldn't have been given prior to VAR, but failed to understand that those things are only now penalties because VAR exists. Obviously he's got some deep thinker in Foster or Lamont questioning him for 16 seconds per incident, which only exacerbates the issue. It's the lack of thoughtful discussion that we get on the subject that is the most infuriating thing. Where the BBC is the only real outlet for this type of debate, and it's just getting worse and worse. I guess we should be used to it by now, given the lack of any change in our game for a half century. It's just sad that the game is being allowed to be [further] ruined in this country and we have no representatives capable of articulating that.

I forgot about Irvine saving the pen. Legend. I was sure the van de ven one was later than 90-91 too, time flies etc.

That's a very long winded way of saying that I was right.... 99/00 - David Preece, Jim Leighton, Ryan Esson, Robbie Winters.

Players "dive in" all the time, it's how you win the ball before your opponent, and it's how you play football. Shinnie regularly wins tackles like that with no issue whatsoever - because it's not a fucking red card. Hayes's tackle in the first half was significantly worse and more out of control. Had the ref issued a yellow (incorrectly in my opinion) to Shinnie, I expect VAR would have said no clear and obvious error. The ref had a clear view and saw exactly what happened in real time. He didn't VAR to make the call, there was no clear and obvious error. Edit (again): the question that has to be asked here is if that challenge was shown on the highlights today, would it be called up for review and Shinnie given a red? That's, essentially, what VAR is supposed to do - avoid the really contentious decisions spilling over into the following weeks and months. There's not a chance on earth that he would have got a retrospective red earlier this season (because he wasn't here!). It's not clear and obvious, it's not contentious, you go with the ref's call.

Harsh on Duncan, I thought his work rate and link up were excellent in the second half, and great to get ninety minutes in a game like that for a lad that's only just turned 19. In terms of the offside, it's just another example of how shite VAR is. The linesman gave the offside, and in the end it was a tight call. The playing on and pitch invasion (sort of), the three minute wait for it to be confirmed. The fact that it was so tight a call just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. Just stick with linesman's call and get on with it. The two key points in the red card for me are, first, that Shinnie bends his knee upon contact with the player, showing that there is no "out of control"/ "leaving one on him" / "endangering an opponent". The worst injury that the player could realistically sustain there is sepsis from a stud mark on the leg. Secondly, as you say, the county player stands on Shinnie. There's obviously no red card for the county player, but he goes into the challenge where he has no hope of winning the ball. He causes Shinnie's follow through to hit him, not the other way round. It was exceptionally clumsy from the county player as he jumps in with two feet (not maliciously, just his body position), which means that his left leg is straight when it shouldn't be if he was making any normal attempt to play the ball. Edit: to add though, imagine Shinnie had rolled around after the follow through and VAR had been asked to look at the county player's follow through on Shinnie, it would be extremely easy for a referee to give a red card for an out of control stamp. It would never ever be a red card of course, just that it's easy to completely alter the answer given to a problem just by changing the question. That's what VAR does, it changes the question (to: "can you see a red card here?").

He's had an entire season in the SPFL and been a stand out. There is nothing more for him to learn with us, he'd just be playing within himself staying, to the detriment of his career. Playing four games in the group stages of Europe isn't going to impress his parent club either. Top end championship down South is a step up from here and that's where he should be aiming, or abroad. He needs challenged to improve and to see if his passing game can cope at a higher level. We might get Coulson back for next season though....

There's no chance Clarkson is here next season. We've had a great player for a season. It would be a silly career move for him to stay here, he's already proved he can more than cut it. It's not really how the loan system works. I wouldn't even think there's a chance of getting Pollock. Maybe not even MacDonald who doesn't have a club, although it'd be great if so.

Injured. Hopefully back for next week now! Great second half performance against a difficult County side. Duk was top class, as was Clarkson. Thought Duncan and Shinnie had great second halves, and the game's gone if that's a red card. A fucking farce that is only a card when you slow it down and focus on the question "can you see a red card in the following incident", removing all context once again. VAR ruining the game throughout with its nonsense stoppages (including our disallowed goal).

He's on the maddison trajectory, definitely, and offers significantly more for us. His tracking and tackling make him a far more complete player than maddison was for us. You could be right about championship, but wouldn't be surprised to seem loaned to EPL either. Having seen gilmour for Scotland a few times, I'd say that's pretty much his level.

County have been decent, really taking the game to us and very direct. The midfield being bypassed completely, which suits them, and Ramadani missing not helping matters. MacDonald is excellent at the back, and the previous defence would be letting 3 in by now. We're playing a risky game, but I don't see any other option. I guess Duncan and McRorie could switch, but I wouldn't fancy McRorie in midfield after a good run at wingback. There's nothing on the bench, and a chance Duncan could do something on the break.

Back to Liverpool I would assume, he's top class and will go very far. Best player we've got, inclusive of Duk. The pass to Duk and the one to McRorie too were just brilliant. It's the fact that he's always looking for the quick pass that makes the difference.

Aren't you missing one?

For everyone else...

Must be, as he's not even on the bench. Shame, he's been very good since Robson put Clarkson in behind with him and Shinnie in front. Duncan did well last week, but I'd much rather have Ramadani in there away from home.

Forgot about budgie that year. Woodman, Rogers, Lewis is probably the most recent. Rogers got one game I think after Lewis got injured and McInnes (correctly) didn't trust him and got Woodman on loan.

Snelders, Watt, Stillie? Gonzalez etc, etc. Langfield, Ward, Brown? I'm just throwing names out, it probably happened quite recently.

What about Livi? I'd say that six is probably going to be enough, seven almost certainly means that we'll have taken something from hearts too. I don't see any team getting more than three wins in the remaining fixtures.

Goal difference is normally a good predictor of where teams will finish in the league. If there's a large disparity such as this six goal difference then it usually suggests that a team's form across the entire season is much better (in this case hearts), and that they're just experiencing a dip in form which will iron out over the year. However, included in our -3 we have those two games in Edinburgh that gave a combined total of -11, which are anomalies that are probably at least 6 goals greater than would have happened if the players hadn't downed tools. I still think that three wins will be enough, and if we get that I don't think hearts will get three wins and two draws in order for goal difference to come in to play. County is vital to those three wins though, as we'll only have three home games left and probably only one against a diddy team. Given our away form, there's no better opportunity to get one of the wins we need. Shinnie back in for Duncan, and the rest the same.

I think that Goodwin has proven today that he's ready for the step up.

That's probably how it would come out of a simulated model designed on fairness and equality (throughout the league) alone, but it'd then need special intervention to make one or the other happy. Fuck the rest of course. Glass and Goodwin have cost us an extra home game, I hope it was taken out of their severance packages. The away game at tynecastle could be pivotal to finishing third. Not a place we generally do well at.

This thread looking a little pointless these days. Never in doubt. Looking beyond the split, I'm going to suggest that three wins (56 points) will be enough to take third spot. Maybe an additional draw might be required, but I don't think so given the form of the other teams. In other maths, if st mirren can get a draw against the scum next week, we could get the opportunity to lose them the league the following one. Whilst I don't generally give a fuck who wins it, it'd make things interesting.

Good solid performance, never in doubt. Great at the back and Clarkson kept things ticking in the middle, always looking for the quick pass forward. Duk and Miovski were really good together today, frustrating that Miovski didn't finish one of his chances, but his movement was great all day and worked really hard. Duk was just great. Duncan did okay, but things didn't come off for him in the good areas unfortunately. Hayes was excellent today, just didn't stop running. Bavidge looked good when he came on, and I expect we'll see a bit more of him.

The rules say he's suspended, so I'm going with that.

Local rag suggesting that Shinnie not suspended for this one, but the next. It's a toss up between which is preferable, an away game without Shinnie is probably harder, but it gives us the best chance of keeping our run going.