Livi vs Dons

[OrlandoDon]

Interesting to note that a win today would have kept top 6 alive!!

[Panda]

31 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Is he though? 

Yes.

Duk has the most assists and is the third top goal scorer.*

Though Miovski has the most goals and is the third top for assists.*
 

*in the league 

 

[OrlandoDon]

4 minutes ago, Panda said:

Yes.

Duk has the most assists and is the third top goal scorer.*

Though Miovski has the most goals and is the third top for assists.*
 

*in the league 

 

Is he was questioning whether he’s the only player creating chances recently. Stats don’t lie but it doesn’t mean he’s effective.

[tom_widdows]

49 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Interesting to note that a win today would have kept top 6 alive!!

And would have guaranteed safety from automatic relegation.

Assuming SEVCO steamroller Dundee on Wednesday, the Dons have chance to fuck them over next weekend (not that I am still bitter about April 7th 2001).
Dons win would mean either Motherwell or Hibs take 6th spot.
Dons draw + hibs win means hibs take 6th
 

[RicoS321]

According to sportscene, the VAR room didn't release the lines they used for our offside decision because it was obviously offside! Mental. I think it was offside. McCann and McFadden didn't. Either way, it was a close call, that took three and a half minutes to decide. What the fuck are they playing at? Trying their hardest to fuel conspiracy theories? It's fucking outrageously stupid, and incompetent, adding to the tediousness of the actual experience.

[Slim]

It looked to me that someone at the other end of the “line” could have been playing him on but very difficult to see through the stramash of players, which makes it difficult to justify deeming it a “clear and obvious” error (assuming I haven’t misunderstood the VAR/offside rules again).

[dons8321]

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Is he was questioning whether he’s the only player creating chances recently. Stats don’t lie but it doesn’t mean he’s effective.

Stats don't lie? - Mark Twain/Benjamin Disreali might disagree with you -  "lies, damn lies and statistics"

Edited April 6 by dons8321

[STFU_Donny]

That offside call was far from obvious and the fact they didn’t draw lines absolutely stinks. Even McFadden and McCann thought the goal should’ve stood since it was too close to call. We have VAR and they half arsed it. Fucking joke. 

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, Slim said:

It looked to me that someone at the other end of the “line” could have been playing him on but very difficult to see through the stramash of players, which makes it difficult to justify deeming it a “clear and obvious” error (assuming I haven’t misunderstood the VAR/offside rules again).

Yes, you have. Offside is not subjective, so is not subject to the clear and obvious condition, it either is or isn't. The only subjective part is whether a player is interfering or not, and so a ref will be sent to the monitor for those (Shankland the other week was deemed to have been deliberately blocking the keeper's view of a freekick from an offside position for example), in today's incident MacDonald received the ball and so it isn't subjective as to whether he was interfering. Ours was almost certainly offside today. However, the done thing (because there's not thousands of these incidents in a day of Scottish top flight) is to compile the results of the software and provide the illustration of the offside call with the shitey lines overlaid so that fans can at least understand the basis of the decision (despite many not getting the whole parallax effect). They've said that it was such a clear call (not clear to the linesman directly in line) that there was no need to provide this. They said that they're "not required to", which is cuntspeak of the highest order. I'm assuming that they've fucked up part of the admin, deleted the scene from their software or some shite, and we'll never know because it's not remotely transparent.

[RicoS321]

7 minutes ago, STFU_Donny said:

That offside call was far from obvious and the fact they didn’t draw lines absolutely stinks. Even McFadden and McCann thought the goal should’ve stood since it was too close to call. We have VAR and they half arsed it. Fucking joke. 

That's not how it works, and it's frustrating that they don't know their job. It's never too close to call, the software will always produce a definitive result, yes or no (with leeway for the frame rate and benefiting the attacker). Although, I think what McFadden and McCann were actually saying is that they don't think calls as close as that should be subjected to VAR checks (although that in itself makes no sense for obvious reasons).

Also, the lines are just for illustrative purposes, a visual representation for the fan. They are not required to provide that illustration, apparently, but it's very much the done thing. The club should complain to the SPFL and force them to release that, it just leads to conspiracy otherwise. 

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, Slim said:

It looked to me that someone at the other end of the “line” could have been playing him on but very difficult to see through the stramash of players, which makes it difficult to justify deeming it a “clear and obvious” error (assuming I haven’t misunderstood the VAR/offside rules again).

I should have said, it's fairly obvious why offside can't be subject to the "clear and obvious" error rule. Because it can be measured, and with a good degree of precision, you'd get a call that was 29cm off being let go one week and another that was 20cm off being disallowed the next. Unless the camera was directly in line (it wasn't today, making it seem more in Macdonald's favour), then any "quick check" by someone just looking at the footage could be wildly out. That means, in order to check offsides, you absolutely have to draw the lines (by that, I mean perform the calculation, the machine doesn't draw lines to decide), there is no other option. As soon as you involve the computer, then it can only produce an exact yes or no call. You could allow a leeway of 30cm for an attacker if you like, but the system would still have to go through the same process. 

To be honest, I'm staggered that people don't get this by now, there's been toenails offside in world football for years now. It's why there's no good version of VAR or any of the other bollocks we keep getting told. The only option is to remove it, or get more and more technical (and expensive) and change the rules of the game to fit what the computer can do. It clearly should never have been implemented in football, it's fucking pish.

[Jute]

Poor performance today. Created very little all game. Thought we were fine defensively in first half but once McDonald came on at start of second half we looked very shakey. As well as he did as sub last week Duk was poor this week. Really don’t see what Hoilett does to keep starting. Thought he was really poor again. 
 

New manager is going to have a busy summer. 

[Elgindon]

Highlights 

 

[DantheDon]

Sounds like the only positive is that it takes us a further point clear of county. Not going to say that we are safe yet but there are 6 games left and that means they would need to win 3 of them even if we don’t pick up any more points. 

[tlg1903]

On 06/04/2024 at 23:12, Jute said:

Poor performance today. Created very little all game. Thought we were fine defensively in first half but once McDonald came on at start of second half we looked very shakey. As well as he did as sub last week Duk was poor this week. Really don’t see what Hoilett does to keep starting. Thought he was really poor again. 
 

New manager is going to have a busy summer. 

When was the last time we didn't have a busy summer?  Must have been under Mcinnes 

[Jute]

3 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

When was the last time we didn't have a busy summer?  Must have been under Mcinnes 

Did think I should have said again when I posted it. 

[tlg1903]

7 hours ago, Jute said:

Did think I should have said again when I posted it. 

Fair

[manc_don]

I'd say we didn't not because he didn't want to (certainly latterly), but the board clearly didn't trust him to spend the money wisely. Milne being in charge also meant far less was being invested in the playing budget. But doesn't take away from the point, it's like groundhog day every bloody summer these days.

[STFU_Donny]

Just saw the AFC statement. So VAR just guessed that MacDonald was offside and overruled the onfield decision. Un-fucking-believable except it’s not really. 
 

https://www.afc.co.uk/2024/04/10/club-statement-video-assistant-referees/

 

Edited April 10 by STFU_Donny

[RicoS321]

There's a fairly strong case to say that the game should be replayed. The officials haven't followed protocol. Fielded an illegible player in the offside decision as it were. If it was either of the scum, a) this wouldn't have happened, and b) the game would be replayed.

[manc_don]

Bahaha has anyone seen the statement from the GFA? Essentially confirming that they made it up at the time but Hawkeye confirms that it was the right decision. What an absolute cluster football in Scotland is. Couldn’t make it up. Own the fucking mistake.

https://x.com/ScottishFA/status/1778124348387103113

"The Scottish FA has today received a report from Hawkeye on the incident that occurred at Livingston’s match against Aberdeen, which confirmed that the Broadcast 18-Yard Left Camera suffered a loss of calibration and ceased line tracking on the relevant video frame. During the review, Hawkeye were able to reprocess the data through their system and draw the calibrated offside lines from the disallowed goal, which showed Angus MacDonald to be in an offside position. The VAR made the decision using the technology that was available and this decision was validated by Hawkeye's retrospective recalibration conducted as part of their review."

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, manc_don said:

Bahaha has anyone seen the statement from the GFA? Essentially confirming that they made it up at the time but Hawkeye confirms that it was the right decision. What an absolute cluster football in Scotland is. Couldn’t make it up. Own the fucking mistake.

https://x.com/ScottishFA/status/1778124348387103113

"The Scottish FA has today received a report from Hawkeye on the incident that occurred at Livingston’s match against Aberdeen, which confirmed that the Broadcast 18-Yard Left Camera suffered a loss of calibration and ceased line tracking on the relevant video frame. During the review, Hawkeye were able to reprocess the data through their system and draw the calibrated offside lines from the disallowed goal, which showed Angus MacDonald to be in an offside position. The VAR made the decision using the technology that was available and this decision was validated by Hawkeye's retrospective recalibration conducted as part of their review."

Christ, that's embarrassing. I hope the club respond. 

[tom_widdows]

In the all ireland final several years back hawkeye ruled out a point despite all 5 umpires & the opposition players giving it and TV pictures showing it went straight down the middle

Result

At halftime they checked the replays, awarded the point and decided to play the 2nd half without hawkeye.

UK seems rife with 'the computer said it was wrong' 

[RicoS321]

49 minutes ago, tom_widdows said:

In the all ireland final several years back hawkeye ruled out a point despite all 5 umpires & the opposition players giving it and TV pictures showing it went straight down the middle

Result

At halftime they checked the replays, awarded the point and decided to play the 2nd half without hawkeye.

UK seems rife with 'the computer said it was wrong' 

Sounds like they've got a weird version of football in Ireland.