LC - Tims v Dons (2nd November)

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, KennyFuckinPowers said:

I am starting to wonder if everything is okay with McGarry. By all accounts, he looked fairly sharp and good in the minutes he played in the League Cup group stage games, but he's been limited to absolutely nothing since then ( I think ) 

 

I know that he and the good lady just had a new born as he signed with us, I wonder if he's struggling to adapt and settle, I assume his missus is over here with him, maybe just missing their parents and vice versa due to said new born. 

Or he's just gash.

[STFU_Donny]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Or he's just gash.

All evidence points to this being the case. Maybe Jimmy T can work his magic, similar to what he’s done with Morris and Gueye. 

[KGB]

23 minutes ago, STFU_Donny said:

All evidence points to this being the case. Maybe Jimmy T can work his magic, similar to what he’s done with Morris and Gueye. 

I don’t see him ever being good enough tbh 

 

 

Edited November 3 by KGB

[Panda]

5 hours ago, KennyFuckinPowers said:

I am starting to wonder if everything is okay with McGarry. By all accounts, he looked fairly sharp and good in the minutes he played in the League Cup group stage games, but he's been limited to absolutely nothing since then ( I think ) 

 

I know that he and the good lady just had a new born as he signed with us, I wonder if he's struggling to adapt and settle, I assume his missus is over here with him, maybe just missing their parents and vice versa due to said new born. 

McGarry was in the squad yesterday so isn't totally out of the picture.

But he's not going to oust anyone on the left have side out of the team.

5 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

We have Milne as back up who plays more than mcgarry. No? I don’t think it’s milne’s best position, or natural position, but it appears he’s trusted more to fill in than mcgarry yet people seem to say RB is priority??

Milne appears to be the back-up to Rubezic. And you said yourself he's not a natural right back.

[OrlandoDon]

2 hours ago, Panda said:

McGarry was in the squad yesterday so isn't totally out of the picture.

But he's not going to oust anyone on the left have side out of the team.

Milne appears to be the back-up to Rubezic. And you said yourself he's not a natural right back.

Correct, I said it’s not his natural position. He’s played once at central defense but the rest of the time it’s right back so I think management is fine with him at right back. And he’s played more than mcgarry this season. Mackenzie hasn’t signed a new contract and mcgarry is not a left back, why prioritize right back over left? 
as I said, i‘m more eager to get a goal scoring center forward. I don’t think right back is a big issue at present. 

[Panda]

13 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Correct, I said it’s not his natural position. He’s played once at central defense but the rest of the time it’s right back so I think management is fine with him at right back. And he’s played more than mcgarry this season. Mackenzie hasn’t signed a new contract and mcgarry is not a left back, why prioritize right back over left? 
 

Because this is the January transfer window we're talking about. We have a natural left back as back-up, we don't have a natural right back.

 

13 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

as I said, i‘m more eager to get a goal scoring center forward. I don’t think right back is a big issue at present. 

It might be if Devlin gets injured on Scotland duty.

[tlg1903]

Or if Devlin just gets injured full stop.   Don't get me wrong, I think Milne has done fine when he's played there but it's defo not his natural position. 

[RicoS321]

5 hours ago, Panda said:

Because this is the January transfer window we're talking about. We have a natural left back as back-up, we don't have a natural right back.

I think the question is whether McGarry at left back is better than Milne at right back, despite it not being his natural position. I think McGarry's natural position is somewhere in the North Sea. Also, MacKenzie is more injury prone (although Devlin is running himself into the ground at present!).

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

I think the question is whether McGarry at left back is better than Milne at right back, despite it not being his natural position. I think McGarry's natural position is somewhere in the North Sea. Also, MacKenzie is more injury prone (although Devlin is running himself into the ground at present!).

Correct. And while I want Mackenzie to stay, if we can get a loanee with the option to buy or a permanent replacement for jack, we do that!

mcgarry has done very little to suggest he belongs, Milne has played minutes and has potential. 

[tlg1903]

1 hour ago, RicoS321 said:

I think the question is whether McGarry at left back is better than Milne at right back, despite it not being his natural position. I think McGarry's natural position is somewhere in the North Sea. Also, MacKenzie is more injury prone (although Devlin is running himself into the ground at present!).

To each their own but I don't think we have seen enough of him to say for sure in general but I can say for sure we defo haven't seen enough of him under Thelin.  Mcgarry came with a reasonable pedigree and we have seen JT turn around Gueye and Morris whom most people on this board had written off as not worth having.  Mcgarry hasn't had the same opportunity as those two but Mackenzie has been undroppable and Thelin doesn't tend to sub the full backs unless we are over the line.  I do  think we will see Mcgarry play a bit in December when the schedule is hectic so hopefully come January we will have a better idea on our depth at LB   

Edited November 4 by tlg1903

[Slim]

37 minutes ago, tlg1903 said:

Mcgarry came with a reasonable pedigree 

Did he though? Didn’t get a game in Dutch football, never gets called up to a shit New Zealand squad and has never really shown anything more than a purple patch of form in a tinpot league

[Panda]

4 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

I think the question is whether McGarry at left back is better than Milne at right back, despite it not being his natural position. I think McGarry's natural position is somewhere in the North Sea. Also, MacKenzie is more injury prone (although Devlin is running himself into the ground at present!).

If Thelin can make a player out of Morris and Gueye, and turn Ambrose into a goal scorer, then we shouldn't write off anyone ever again. 

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, Panda said:

If Thelin can make a player out of Morris and Gueye, and turn Ambrose into a goal scorer, then we shouldn't write off anyone ever again. 

To an extent. Morris, Gueye, and Ambrose have all shown thelin that they have something to offer, and he’s given them time. Why has mcgarry not played? He’s a wing back or left mid and not really a left back from what I gather. It’s my understanding that he came here with a reputation for strong going forward and a little suspect defending. When we were desperate for width he had an opportunity but didn’t take it, Vinny did more and gets the minutes. A back 4 and consistency of personnel is a biggie too hence much less rotation. 
Milne is younger with more of an upside. I’d like to have seen him at holding mid when we were stuck, that window has well and truly shut. Happy to see him get back up minutes for now, wouldn’t mind seeing a new left sooner than later especially if jack is on his way (certainly hope not!)

[Reekie_Red]

7 hours ago, Slim said:

never gets called up to a shit New Zealand squad

And believe me, there's shit NZ squads and then there's the current crop who, Chris Wood aside, would get pumped by our part time women's team (no disrespect to our ladies)

[RicoS321]

7 hours ago, Panda said:

and turn Ambrose into a goal scorer

Ambrose has looked fairly dogshite every time he's played, since before and after his only, important, goal. He fits the position he's been asked to play well, and we have a team that are able to carry a player, but he brings virtually nothing to the team. 

[Tyrant]

Painful one, this. I could barely bring myself to acknowledge the existence of football, let alone browse a football forum. 

 

I gave up as soon as the 3rd went in so I can't really comment on how we played after that. A day to forget all round. Big test for the manager coming up. A defeat was always going to come along sooner or later but to lose by 6 was brutal. JT rallying the troops and getting a win versus Dundee on Saturday is a must. 

[Reekie_Red]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Ambrose has looked fairly dogshite every time he's played, since before and after his only, important, goal. He fits the position he's been asked to play well, and we have a team that are able to carry a player, but he brings virtually nothing to the team. 

He makes Dadi and D'jaffo look talented. His very important goal was a case of right-place right-time. But I 100% agree he is being made to look good by those around him 

[Panda]

11 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

. Why has mcgarry not played? He’s a wing back or left mid and not really a left back from what I gather. 

Because he's not as good as Mackenzie or anyone else on the left hand side. He's a back up. No-one here is suggesting he should replace Mackenzie permanently should he leave.

What you're suggesting is we buy Mackenzie's replacement now, when there's every chance he still might stay. 

A second top left back would be nice to have, but it's not a priority, and as per the original question you asked, a back-up right back is more of a priority right now than a back up left back. 

[RicoS321]

33 minutes ago, Panda said:

Because he's not as good as Mackenzie or anyone else on the left hand side. He's a back up. No-one here is suggesting he should replace Mackenzie permanently should he leave.

What you're suggesting is we buy Mackenzie's replacement now, when there's every chance he still might stay. 

A second top left back would be nice to have, but it's not a priority, and as per the original question you asked, a back-up right back is more of a priority right now than a back up left back. 

Well no, we've got a backup right back. Milne. Surely priority is based on how good the player is? Milne is better at right back than McGarry is at left back. By a considerable distance. Regardless of whether it is his natural position or not. In my opinion, left back is more of a priority than right back because our left back backup is the shittest of the two. 

Although, personally, I don't think either is a massive priority, and would be more comfortable with a striker and a wide player.

[tlg1903]

4 hours ago, Reekie_Red said:

He makes Dadi and D'jaffo look talented. His very important goal was a case of right-place right-time. But I 100% agree he is being made to look good by those around him 

Dadi was pretty handy if memory serves but I think djaffo is a little harsh mate.  I can see some progress in Ambrose and not just because he scored. The headless chicken nature of his movement has defo diminished a wee bit to my eye and I do have a feeling he's gonna come good over the next 6 months to a year. 

[KennyFuckinPowers]

Surely it's too early to write McGarry off? Has he had a run of 4-5-6 games, 90 minutes? MacKenzie has exceeded expectations and for the most part, is fit. By all accounts, I spend a lot of time listening and watching podcasts, and there's a bit of love for MacKenzie through various ex Pro's when they're discussing our games etc... So I think McGarry has been unlucky in that regard, also as I said previously, the whole moving to Aberdeen with a new born baby, perhaps the boy is just unsettled, or is taking longer than others. I am reluctant to write him off just yet, hope he turns it around and gets more involved. 

 

 

[RicoS321]

5 minutes ago, KennyFuckinPowers said:

Surely it's too early to write McGarry off? Has he had a run of 4-5-6 games, 90 minutes? MacKenzie has exceeded expectations and for the most part, is fit. By all accounts, I spend a lot of time listening and watching podcasts, and there's a bit of love for MacKenzie through various ex Pro's when they're discussing our games etc... So I think McGarry has been unlucky in that regard, also as I said previously, the whole moving to Aberdeen with a new born baby, perhaps the boy is just unsettled, or is taking longer than others. I am reluctant to write him off just yet, hope he turns it around and gets more involved. 

 

 

Go on, write him off. Join us. It's cathartic.

[Panda]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Well no, we've got a backup right back. Milne. Surely priority is based on how good the player is? Milne is better at right back than McGarry is at left back. By a considerable distance.

Difficult to share that conclusion considering Milne has rarely played a first team game at right back, and the manager doesn't consider him a right back.

[Panda]

Despite us not making the final, Rangers' win over Motherwell means we'll have no game that weekend as our trip to Ibrox on 15 December will now need to be rescheduled to a midweek game.

Shame, as playing them three days after they played Tottenham would have been handy. 

Does mean we have a two-week break in December now though. Can see us booking a week away in Dubai for some warm weather training since there's no winter break this year.

[OrlandoDon]

3 hours ago, Panda said:

Because he's not as good as Mackenzie or anyone else on the left hand side. He's a back up. No-one here is suggesting he should replace Mackenzie permanently should he leave.

What you're suggesting is we buy Mackenzie's replacement now, when there's every chance he still might stay. 

A second top left back would be nice to have, but it's not a priority, and as per the original question you asked, a back-up right back is more of a priority right now than a back up left back. 

You’re losing track of the initial point. You said a right back is a priority, I said left back is more of a priority than right. But neither are my priority.
Our right back is the only Aberdeen player in the Scotland squad and having an excellent season. Just signed a new contract too.  His back up is a young up and comer, a u21 internationalist. While not a perfect right back, a good and flexible/adaptable back up. As you say, a second top player as back up would be nice but Milne is fine for now.

our left back has not signed a new contract and his back up is, so far from what we’ve seen, weaker than the right back second option and barely gets played. I think our left side should be a priority over right, but, as I said, a new 9 would be my priority.