Todays fitba

[BobbyBiscuit]

Watching the Spurs-dippers game, Torres has had a couple of chances when he's been played in behind the defence and has contrived to make a cunt of both of them where the defender has done well to get back and get a tackle in.  Now, a few weeks ago when he won the game for Liverpool against Chelsea, the commentators were going on about how that's "Torres back! That's what a fully fit Torres can do etc", but he misses these chances and they're saying "A fully fit Torres would have finished them", "once he's firing on all cylinders he'll be burying those chances".

 

Couple of things here:

 

1. How long does it take this guy to get fully fit? Half a year? a year? whatever it is it is far too long for a young guy like him.

 

Or

 

2. Why do commentators cut him so much slack? If he's still not fit they should be asking why. If he is fit they should be saying that he's just having a bad day at his work. No shame in that, he's a cracking player and if he's going through a bad patch, well it happens to every player doesnt it?

[manc_don]

I don't think they know what they are talking about. I don't think his heart is in it at all this season. There is only so much slack you can cut someone, and in my opinion, he's not pulling his weight. Ach well, always good to see them lose

 

I'm gutted, had a ticket to the game today, instead chose to play football on a frozen pitch!

[mizer]

I'm gutted, had a ticket to the game today, instead chose to play football on a frozen pitch!

 

I turned down a ticket and a free lift to Old Trafford yesterday 

[manc_don]

you win

[BobbyBiscuit]

I turned down a ticket and a free lift to Old Trafford yesterday 

 

I was at Old Trafford yesterday. Two things ruined my day:

 

1. They've stopped the drinking in the streets

 

2. Aberdeen. 

[Guest ally s]

Couple of things here:

 

1. How long does it take this guy to get fully fit? Half a year? a year? whatever it is it is far too long for a young guy like him.

 

 

I'm not sure if it's his fitness tbh. From what I've seen of Torres it looks as though his confidence is shot to pieces. I think this may have something to do with the succession of injuries he suffered. It's almost as if he doesn't trust his body.

[Tyrant]

I'm not sure if it's his fitness tbh. From what I've seen of Torres it looks as though his confidence is shot to pieces. I think this may have something to do with the succession of injuries he suffered. It's almost as if he doesn't trust his body.

 

Disagree. and I also don't think he's unfit. He's only human. He'll score some and he'll miss some. I partially blame the comentators. Their shite that they spout doesn't help. Just let him get on with it. He'll continue to score.

 

I was just pleased to see Woy play 2 up front away from home when quite often at home this season he's left Torres up front on his own.

 

WTF the fuck N'gog was doing with that John Terry style save I'll never know. He should know you only get away with it if you're a London Hun. N'gog is shite. In January I want him N'gone. 

[mizer]

Currnetly West Ham 3-0 Man U - bloody hell!

[Mentorred]

Currnetly West Ham 3-0 Man U - bloody hell!

 

4-0 now. What is more shocking is Jonathon Spector got 2 goals.

[BobbyBiscuit]

Jonny Evans is fucking gash.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

Jonny Evans is fucking gash.

 

Surprisingly, that is being kind.

 

Smalling ain't much better though.

[BobbyBiscuit]

I actually think Smalling has done ok when he's featured this season but Evans has regressed at a rate of knots.

[Guest ally s]

I actually think Smalling has done ok when he's featured this season but Evans has regressed at a rate of knots.

 

I saying that to a mate of mine last night, what the fuck has happened to him?

 

A while back I thought he'd be an absolute shoe-in replacement for Ferdinand.

[BobbyBiscuit]

I saying that to a mate of mine last night, what the fuck has happened to him?

 

A while back I thought he'd be an absolute shoe-in replacement for Ferdinand.

 

I've heard he likes a bit of a party etc. His concentration has totally gone. He came on against Blackburn in the second half and was at fault for their goal and almost cost two others, this was after Rovers had lost every single ball forward to Vidic and Ferdinand. Would have to imagine Smalling is ahead of Evans and Brown now as centre half understudy.

[glasgow sheep]

England v Scotland in the Victory Shield tonight. If we win we'll clinch the tournament for the first time in years.

[Azteca1903]

England v Scotland in the Victory Shield tonight. If we win we'll clinch the tournament for the first time in years.

 

Games aff I think.

[glasgow sheep]

Ah fuck.

[Kowalski]

Sky's Monday Night Football gives me the dry boak.

[glasgow sheep]

Sky's Monday Night Football gives me the dry boak.

 

Nae Torres, Gerrard or Carragher for Liverpool.

This is going to be a shit game.

[Kowalski]

It was more the pair of knobs trying to use technology for an hour that put me off.

[Andrew]

Stuck £20 on Liverpool at 7/5 -1 goal. Looking good so far

[BobbyBiscuit]

Villa are chronic. Good goal by Babbel though. Turned it over to Napoli-Palermo now.

[BobbyBiscuit]

It's a shame and all that, but I can't help feel all this work is going to be rather fruitless for Hargreaves:

 

 

 

Sir Alex Ferguson has told Owen Hargreaves he must fight to try to salvage his Manchester United career after issuing another bleak injury bulletin on the England midfielder.

 

Hargreaves is currently in Munich for treatment on the hamstring injury that curtailed his comeback against Wolverhampton Wanderers last month, after four minutes. At the time the manager, who described the recall as "a disaster", announced a four- to five-week absence for the 29-year-old, but claimed Hargreaves had recovered from the knee problems that kept him out for more than two years. Today, however, the United manager revealed Hargreaves has torn a hamstring, would be out for up to eight weeks and is not guaranteed to return to top-level football.

 

"We are all concerned," said Ferguson, whose side host Valencia in the final Champions League group game tomorrow night. "He hasn't played for over two years. We would have to be super-optimistic to think everything's going to be rosy for him in terms of making a comeback. What we're trying to do is help the lad. That in itself is our biggest challenge, to help him get back to a level where he can play football.

 

"At the moment, having this hamstring is a real kick in the teeth to him because, up until then, he had trained so well ahead of the Wolves game. He was absolutely superb and, although he'd only trained with us for nine or 10 days, we had players with flu at the time and one or two injuries, but we were confident enough to play him."

 

Ferguson admitted Hargreaves's visit to a specialist in Munich, where he played for Bayern before a £17m transfer to Old Trafford in 2007, was also designed to be "a little bit therapeutic" for a player he claimed was anxious ahead of the Wolves game. "If it's a complete tear, as in Owen's case, it can be six to eight weeks," he added. "If you catch it early enough and prevent them from doing any more damage, then you can get them back into three to four weeks, but this was a tear."

 

Hargreaves is out of contract at the end of this season and, unsurprisingly, a renewal is not up for discussion. "That is not something we're thinking about," said Ferguson, who believes the midfielder's immediate focus must be on rescuing his career. "How does he take it after two years out? He has to fight it. There is no other way," he said.

 

Valencia's visit to Old Trafford is not without incentive, even though they and United have qualified for the knockout phase of the Champions League. The Spaniards can pip United to first place in Group C with victory by virtue of a superior goal difference. United, however, have not conceded a goal in Europe this season and would become the first club in Champions League history to keep six clean sheets in the group stage with another shut-out.

 

"I think in European games the players realise the concentration has to be 100%," said the United manager, who vowed to play his strongest side against Valencia after Saturday's trip to Blackpool was postponed, and with Arsenal and Chelsea next up in the Premier League. "We want to win our group. The sensible approach is to avoid the bigger hitters like Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern Munich in the next round."

 

Ferguson, meanwhile, dismissed claims the controversy over Fifa's choice of Russia and Qatar as World Cup hosts in 2018 and 2022 would lead to a change in how world football's governing body operates. "I see all these things about changing Fifa but how can you change it?" he asked. "That 22-man committee is going to change if you ask them? Give me a break. Do you know how difficult that is? That would be a new one for Fifa - democracy."

[maverick sheep]

I don't usually do the 'I told you so' thing, HOWEVER, I have had the worst day for a long long time and so today I think I'll indulge.

 

Can't remember who was trying to say Houllier was a good manager, but I bloody well told you! The guy couldn't manage a piss.

 

16 Villa         16    -10  17

17 Fulham 16 -4 15

18 Wigan 16 -15 15

19 Wolves 16 -13 12

20 West Ham 16 -13 12

 

With a team that finished 6th the last 3 seasons.

 

 

[Guest ally s]

I don't usually do the 'I told you so' thing, HOWEVER, I have had the worst day for a long long time and so today I think I'll indulge.

 

Can't remember who was trying to say Houllier was a good manager, but I bloody well told you! The guy couldn't manage a piss.

 

16 Villa         16    -10  17

17 Fulham 16 -4 15

18 Wigan 16 -15 15

19 Wolves 16 -13 12

20 West Ham 16 -13 12

 

With a team that finished 6th the last 3 seasons.

 

That would be me.

 

Rome wasn't built in a day mate!!