glasgow sheep Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 tin hat on, England are actually playing really well against Spain. Just shows what a bit of pace and composure can do for you. Spain have not been able to play their game, parker has been fantastic. Sadly I agree, especially 2nd half and Parker was superb. Was a friendly however and Spain have a bit of a ropey record in friendlies over the last year or two do they not? Quote
manc_don Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Sadly I agree, especially 2nd half and Parker was superb. Was a friendly however and Spain have a bit of a ropey record in friendlies over the last year or two do they not? Think they got pumped by Portugal And lost two other games, but id say they put more effort into this game than they did against us last month Lescott and Jagielka were immense tonight. Quote
Tyrant Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 It's worth remembering that Spain had 71% posession, and 21 attempts at goal compared to England's 3. The Engerlush are getting a bit carried away. Unofficial World Cup winners? With that logic Switzerland actually won the World Cup last year. Quote
Azteca1903 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 It's worth remembering that Spain had 71% posession, and 21 attempts at goal compared to England's 3. The Engerlush are getting a bit carried away. Unofficial World Cup winners? With that logic Switzerland actually won the World Cup last year. Japan are the current holders. http://www.ufwc.co.uk/ Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 It's worth remembering that Spain had 71% posession, and 21 attempts at goal compared to England's 3. The Engerlush are getting a bit carried away. Unofficial World Cup winners? With that logic Switzerland actually won the World Cup last year. It never stopped Scotland claiming it in 1967.... Possession stats etc are all well and good, but the only real important thing is the number of goals you score and England got one more than Spain. Credit where it's due, they've beaten the best international side in the world. It doesn't mean much more than that because it's just a friendly, but it's still quite a scalp considering just how good Spain are. Some Scots were creaming themselves at losing 3-2 to them... Quote
Tyrant Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 The best international team in the world that scraped through each round at the World Cup? But aye, bitterness aside I see what you're saying. My point was purely that the English media need to see the game and result for what it is. Fuck all. Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 The best international team in the world that scraped through each round at the World Cup? And yet still managed to win the WC. And Euros. If you think there's a better international side out there I'd love to know who you think it is. Quote
Tyrant Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 I'll bite. I don't know about better full stop but I will say that throughout the World Cup last year Holland easily played the best football. All their matches were great to watch. Except the final when they resorted to kicking Spain rather than trying to play football. Spain had played boring football (although effect, just) all the way to the final. I feel if Holland hadn't listened to the hype surrounding Spain and just played their football the way they had for the whole tournament they would have won the final. Spain were far from the slick, clever passing team that they're seen as now. Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 I'll bite. I don't know about better full stop but I will say that throughout the World Cup last year Holland easily played the best football. All their matches were great to watch. Except the final when they resorted to kicking Spain rather than trying to play football. Spain had played boring football (although effect, just) all the way to the final. I feel if Holland hadn't listened to the hype surrounding Spain and just played their football the way they had for the whole tournament they would have won the final. Spain were far from the slick, clever passing team that they're seen as now. It's not just about playing the best football though, is it? It's about being hard to beat, winning matches and tournaments. Spain have won the last two big ones (as far as European teams go). Holland are a very good team, but should have been thoroughly ashamed of themselves after that final. Spain have the medals to prove what a good team they are, until Holland have that, they're going to be a notch below, in my opinion. Quote
Tyrant Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 It's not just about playing the best football though, is it? It's about being hard to beat, winning matches and tournaments. Spain have won the last two big ones (as far as European teams go). Holland are a very good team, but should have been thoroughly ashamed of themselves after that final. Spain have the medals to prove what a good team they are, until Holland have that, they're going to be a notch below, in my opinion. Can't really argue with that. I was very disappointed with how Holland played. Especially after how they'd played for the rest of the tournament. I think Holland could've outplayed Spain had they not been scared and resorted to kicking. I think there was an element of bottling it too if I'm honest. Something that Spain were susceptible to also and something, in all fairness, they handled well. I was very disappointed that the Holland friendly that England had lined up back in August was cancelled. Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 Can't really argue with that. I was very disappointed with how Holland played. Especially after how they'd played for the rest of the tournament. I think Holland could've outplayed Spain had they not been scared and resorted to kicking. I think there was an element of bottling it too if I'm honest. Something that Spain were susceptible to also and something, in all fairness, they handled well. I was very disappointed that the Holland friendly that England had lined up back in August was cancelled. I don't for a second believe, incidentally, that you MUST win tournaments to be the best per se - the Dutch sides of 74 & 78 and Brazil 1982 didn't win anything but were superb sides and hard to say that there were better sides at those particular times - but I think your point about perhaps Holland bottling it to an extent last year is a good one. Perhaps if they have a really good Euros in the summer they could be regarded as the best - you never know what will happen to Spain. It will be interesting to watch though, as I think Germany could mean there are at least 3 exceptional sides at the tournament. Quote
Tyrant Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 I don't for a second believe, incidentally, that you MUST win tournaments to be the best per se - the Dutch sides of 74 & 78 and Brazil 1982 didn't win anything but were superb sides and hard to say that there were better sides at those particular times - but I think your point about perhaps Holland bottling it to an extent last year is a good one. Perhaps if they have a really good Euros in the summer they could be regarded as the best - you never know what will happen to Spain. It will be interesting to watch though, as I think Germany could mean there are at least 3 exceptional sides at the tournament. 4. You forgot about England. Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 From the Guardian: The games we have found toughest to win have been against opponents who have set their stall out to work hard, run forever, close us down and really try and keep things tight in the middle of the pitch," said Spain's Iker Casillas after Saturday's defeat by England. You mean there are teams who don't? Teams who set their stall out to be idle, to give Spain space and to be particularly lax in midfield? Because if there are, it's no surprise the Spaniards didn't find it very tough to beat them – they're idiots. "Spain is a team packed with ability that doesn't give much time on the ball," he added. In other words, they set their stall out to work hard, run forever and really try and keep things tight in the middle of the pitch. They're their own worst enemies, sometimes Quote
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Posted November 14, 2011 That's quite funny. Quote
manc_don Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 Scotland U-21's one up against Holland U-21's Quote
manc_don Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 ffs, make that 1-1, own goal by the keeper I think? Quote
manc_don Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 won 2-1, decent performance by all. Pawlett got a run out at the end too. Quote
glasgow sheep Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 See scotland under 21 thread Quote
tlg1903 Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Germany versus holland tonight, potentially a cracker. They don't like each other much though according to this article its not quite as bad as it once was http://fourfourtwo.com/blogs/eurovision/archive/2011/11/15/more-than-a-game-germany-v-holland.aspx Quote
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 Italy v Uruguay, belter of a "friendly", 6 bookings and a sending off! Quote
manc_don Posted November 19, 2011 Report Posted November 19, 2011 Tims beat caley 2-0, good result for us really. Quote
manc_don Posted November 20, 2011 Report Posted November 20, 2011 London Huns losing 1-0 to the bin dippers. Quote
tom_widdows Posted November 23, 2011 Report Posted November 23, 2011 See celtic vs pars in on tonight with a kick off that directly clashes with the champions league games Do UEFA just pick and choose when to enforce this 'no top flight domestic football on champions league night? Quote
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