Todays fitba

[Ten Caat]

Yep that and the stonewall penalty Killie were denied in the second minute. SFA determined to do all they can to land sevco their first ever major trophy

[baggy89]

Just seen the replay of the Killie Goalie's red card.

 

May as well just hand Sevco the trophy and get it over with

 

Wow. That is an honest mistake and a half.

[manc_don]

Corrupt bastards.  I don't even blame the huns for this one.  This is squarely at the door of the SFA.  If we're getting a player sent off next month, I hope it's for a good assault on one of those cunts.

[TheDeeDon]

Just seen the sending off of the Killie Keeper and makes me wonder if worth getting my tickets for the upcoming Scottish cup tie as seems like we are not on a level playing field.

[RicoS321]

It's a staggeringly bad decision. Really bad. It's difficult to accuse anyone of corruption as there are numerous bad decisions on a weekly basis involving all teams, but this one just seems beyond shite. I'm not going to suggest full scale deliberate, but it's almost like the officials have been asked to be lenient toward Sevco here - it's almost like they're trying to even up the McGregor decision (which has had no discernable effect on them anyway) in some way. You genuinely feel that they operate on a tit-for-tat level when dealing with the hun over the course of the season. Like there's a genuine fear over the repurcussions of each decision involving them.

 

Finally we have a decision that we can call on the Morelos decision from the first game of the season, which was extremely well covered and should be at the forefront of every referee's mind when looking at these types of incident due to its "new" (and correct) interpretation of the rules. They should know this inside out, and no ref should be making the same mistake that the ref did in our game (whether we like it or not, the rules are now clear and the red card was overturned).

 

There is only one reason that the goalie could have been red carded last night, and that is that the linesman (it wasn't the ref I don't think) has witnessed* the incident and seen the 'keeper hit the player. He's seen contact inotherwords. At that point, we then refer to the Morelos incident to reference what constitues a red card. There has to be intent to harm. If the assistant has seen the incident properly* then he absolutely must come to the inclusion that there is no intent to harm there. It is quite simply a brush off (and even that's being severely harsh) at worst. If the referee/assistant has seen the incident in full* then the correct decision for that foul would be a yellow card. That is the precedent set by the Morelos incident and any referee who doesn't know that given the profile of that incident shouldn't be refereeing in this country.

 

*What I think has happened is that neither linesman or referee have witnessed the incident properly and have made their decision based on the reaction of the player. It's the 21st century. No ref should ever be basing their decisions on the reaction of a player. Players (including even AFC) are taught to go down as part of their training. If you don't see the incident, you can't give the red card. It's exactly why the post-match panels exist - a ref can't be expected to see everything and it's a completely acceptable thing for a ref to say that he didn't see it.

 

Would VAR have solved this issue? I don't believe it would. The ref would have got a hundred slow-motion replays of an incident and would have based his decision on "contact". They genuinely don't seem to understand the rules.

 

I'd say that it's the worst decision I've seen this season. It's really bad.

 

For the sake of balance, I didn't think Brophy's incident was a certain penalty and his reaction to the touch from the hun makes it understandable as to why the ref would not give it (I wouldn't have).

 

 

[rocket_scientist]

Morelos went down like he'd been shot. Again. Like the funny gunslinger clip from Pittodrie the last time he played. So that's consecutively, within a dozen minutes of play that his reaction to two barely minimal contacts was a massive overreaction. His modus operandi changed however. Last night he went down like he'd been knocked unconscious whereas last time he took the writhing in total agony approach, the cameras showing that he was also looking towards the officials during his fakery to make sure his acting was getting his desired result.

 

This is cheating and there is nothing lower in the game. Diving to fake a penalty is bad but almost understandable given the pace of the game and the fine margins, particularly as you're anticipating a contact coming that the defender had the skill and foresight to withdraw from. This however is "simulation" designed to get a player sent off.

 

He's not the only one. Paul Pogba does it too but if referees were in any way interested in football and watched the game, they should be seeing the same truths that we all see and they should know that Freddo is a fucking cheat.

 

SAF got rid of Pogba despite his obvious talent. It's going to be interesting to see what Gerrard's huge management experience will do with Freddo. I suspect the scouse tink has zero integrity and doesn't mind his star striker's cheating. He may even spit the dummy and walk if the Rangers financial position is so bad that they need to sell him and whilst they can't possibly expect to prevent 10 in a row by selling their best player, SG won't have the intelligence to know the karma cancer that having a cheating cunt like this can bring, not to mention the suspensions that this season at least have cost them the league.

 

One thing is certain. Mark them down for an away win at Pittodrie if the cheat is playing. He can score goals and would be an even better asset for them if he can be educated but I reckon his character is too far gone. He's just a lowlife piece of scum and therefore a perfect match for the integrity-void that is Sevco.

[RicoS321]

Morelos went down like he'd been shot. Again.

 

I think yiv got yer black players mixed up? Or are you talking about another incident. It was Kamara last night.

[rocket_scientist]

I think yiv got yer black players mixed up? Or are you talking about another incident. It was Kamara last night.

 

Oh excuse me. I just assumed it was Morelos. I didn't watch the game and only saw the clip. But hey, don't they all look the same? My points still stand re cheating to get an opponent sent off, refs not being professional enough and Sevco being a bastion of bastards.

[Ten Caat]

Was definitely Kamara and there is a video now circulating from a completely different angle which shows there was indubitably contact with his face. However it wasn't Bachmanns elbow it was his upper arm, looks intentional but Kamara drops like he's been shot and in no way was the contact violent enough to cause that. Yellow card and no more for me.

 

In view of the decisions regarding Morelos and McGregor earlier in the season where it was said that there has to be intent to injure or whatever weasel words used to get them out of jail, this red card has to be overturned.

[CtS]

Having seen the red card incident again from a different angle today, I’m going to buck the trend here and say I thought a red was fair enough - there was intent from their keeper and there was contact with the players face. The outcome of the match hinged on an earlier incident though, if Killie had got the penalty they deserved and gone 1-0 up it’s a whole different game.

[CtS]

One thing is certain. Mark them down for an away win at Pittodrie if the cheat is playing. He can score goals and would be an even better asset for them if he can be educated but I reckon his character is too far gone. He's just a lowlife piece of scum and therefore a perfect match for the integrity-void that is Sevco.

 

Agree he’s a total scumbag, but also a very effective tool (pun intended) to have at their disposal. We need to adopt a different approach to the Morelos problem next week - especially knowing how trigger happy the refs are bound to be with the cards on that occasion. We can beat them though.

[rocket_scientist]

I don't share your opinion on this one. Yes the keeper lowered his arm and yes his elbow brushed his nose/face but there was no intent to injure him. He was quite obviously preparing to jostle him away to create more space for himself. The going down like a sack of tatties was the bigger crime. It was a joke red card and it was a stonewaller for Killie. Clarke was right, the officials ruined it all.

[RicoS321]

Having seen the red card incident again from a different angle today, I’m going to buck the trend here and say I thought a red was fair enough - there was intent from their keeper and there was contact with the players face. The outcome of the match hinged on an earlier incident though, if Killie had got the penalty they deserved and gone 1-0 up it’s a whole different game.

 

Intent is irrelevant. That isn't the rule. From Morelos' sending off:

 

The Tribunal was also mindful of the recent guidance provided that sought to differentiate between  petulance  and Violent Conduct.  The  Tribunal  was  of  the  view  that  in  the circumstances this was the former rather than the latter.

 

As Rocket suggests, he was making room for himself/jostling for position. There was no violent conduct. Regardless of what we think, or what happens on the tele in the premiership, or what happened last season or in previous seasons, the rules make it clear that there has to be excessive force or violent conduct, neither of which occurred in this case. By their own guidelines it is a yellow card. I am astonished that referees in Scotland - after the media coverage the Morelos case given and the clear misunderstanding everyone seemed to have over the rules (myself included) - do not have this down to a tee. It was an easy decision.

 

The going down like a sack of tatties was the bigger crime. It was a joke red card and it was a stonewaller for Killie. Clarke was right, the officials ruined it all.

 

I think Brophy went down like a sack of tatties in his attempt to win a penalty too. Nobody falls over when getting a hand on their stomach. I actually think that it was that which made the ref not give it. If he'd just gone down normally or stumbled then he wouldn't have looked like he was trying to con the ref.

[rocket_scientist]

I think Brophy went down like a sack of tatties in his attempt to win a penalty too. Nobody falls over when getting a hand on their stomach. I actually think that it was that which made the ref not give it. If he'd just gone down normally or stumbled then he wouldn't have looked like he was trying to con the ref.

 

Yes good point. There was an amazing incident on MOTD last weekend where there was contact, it should've been a pen but the "diver" got booked. It's getting too commonplace now, exaggerating matters to put on a show for the ref.

[Jute]

Victim FC emptied out of Europe.

[tom_widdows]

That's a decent call as Dumfries is pretty much equidistant from both clubs. Suspect they will go for Fir Park in the end though. Still fairly accessible for Connahs Quay being on the M74

 

Caledonian Stadium, Inverness

 

Wonder if they are trying to 'help' a Scottish team' to win it, especially given there are no trains between Inverness and Perth that weekend

 

 

[Jute]

Caledonian Stadium, Inverness

 

Wonder if they are trying to 'help' a Scottish team' to win it, especially given there are no trains between Inverness and Perth that weekend

 

Connahs Quay have zero fans so I suppose it being in Inverness at least means County support should be decent.

[manc_don]

What a weird ending to the Carabao cup final.

[rocket_scientist]

What a weird ending to the Carabao cup final.

 

Jorginho's first pen should spell the end for Sarri.

 

Total fucking bellend. Unemployable after a single interview.

 

Fuck Chelski. Poisoned club. Owner is a thief.

[Jute]

Bruce Anderson double for Pars tonight helping send Partick Thistle towards second consecutive relegation.

[rocket_scientist]

Bruce Anderson double for Pars tonight helping send Partick Thistle towards second consecutive relegation.

 

Aye but he's better out on loan cos he's not good enough for AFC.

 

And we know this from the many starts he's had for us. We couldn't make it up.

 

But the happy clappers, rather than face the reality pretend it'll all come good.

[Ten Caat]

Aye but there's a big difference between Anderson and Wright.....chiefly he is nearly 3 years younger and still has time to develop that Wright really doesn't have any more.

 

He is at a decent level getting a game every week.....had he went to a bottom end Premier club he may not have been risked as the season progresses and relegation fears increased. If he kicks on, he's the natural replacement for  May long term. No concerns that the clubisn't handling his career correctly at present, in contrast to Wright's career who was allowed to stagnate in our U20s/ reserves far too long.

[RicoS321]

Aye but there's a big difference between Anderson and Wright.....chiefly he is nearly 3 years younger and still has time to develop that Wright really doesn't have any more.

 

He is at a decent level getting a game every week.....had he went to a bottom end Premier club he may not have been risked as the season progresses and relegation fears increased. If he kicks on, he's the natural replacement for  May long term. No concerns that the clubisn't handling his career correctly at present, in contrast to Wright's career who was allowed to stagnate in our U20s/ reserves far too long.

 

Totally agree. In fact, I think he's an excellent example of how we should be handling our youth. I thought he was a little bit headless chicken at times when he came on for us but with a good eye for goal. I think it would have been a huge mistake to keep him here if we couldn't guarantee him 60-90 minutes every week. He has the confidence to become a very good player for us and sending him somewhere where he can prolong that for several months will do him the world of good. There are a lot of decent teams in that league too, with County, Utd, ICT and Ayr easily as good as some of the teams in the lower SPFL.

 

I think we could have easily given him a run of games as he was playing better than the players around him, however - judging by the games I saw him in - I don't think he was quite good enough to be scoring every week and I think we'd have been inclined to chop and change the striker because of this, which I think would have had a negative effect on his overall development. Given Cosgrove's form in December too, it was an absolute no brainer as there is no chance we'd have been dropping the on-form Cosgrove for him. I think that sometimes we have to think of the player's development first over the team needs and I think the long term benefits of his development will outweigh the short term benefits we might have gained with a couple of goals here and there in our first team.

[Guest kiriakovisthenewstrachan]

Nice to see supporters appreciate what a good job a manager did for them 

 

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[Ten Caat]

Killie v Motherwell abandoned....fog