New stadium thread

[Jute]

15 hours ago, tom_widdows said:

2hrs to walk 3.1miles?

3.6 miles from station to Cinieworld according to google maps and new location is a bit further along Kingsway so added 10 minutes to their 1 hour 35 estimate to Cinieworld. Vast majority of that uphill. Nobody is really walking that. Only way of reaching the site will be car or bus. I am cynical about the claims about shuttle buses as bus companies just don’t carry enough capacity to run existing services never mind extra match day services. It will also add additional cost to those travelling by public transport. 
 

 

[Slim]

1 hour ago, Panda said:

It's not the Pittodrie footprint you need to paste onto it though, it's the footprint from a new modern stadium. 

Unless AZ Alkmaar's stadium can fit on it then gtf.

Nae bother.

Plenty of room all around. Probably don't need the houses in the north west corner inside the footprint, but I think they're being demolished to make room for the Berryden dualler if that ever goes ahead anyway.

Could also rotate it 45 degrees and move closer to George Street so not building directly over the railway.

You'd need to compensate the building owners of the industrial units but I reckon that would cost less than the extra ground work and piling you'd need to do to put the stadium next to the beach.

The stadium itself would actually fit inside the empty site itself too, but I guess then you'd need car parking, emergency access, etc, to be underneath the stadium.

Either way, a far better option than anything that's been proposed so far.

[tom_widdows]

41 minutes ago, Slim said:

Nae bother.

Plenty of room all around. Probably don't need the houses in the north west corner inside the footprint, but I think they're being demolished to make room for the Berryden dualler if that ever goes ahead anyway.

Could also rotate it 45 degrees and move closer to George Street so not building directly over the railway.

You'd need to compensate the building owners of the industrial units but I reckon that would cost less than the extra ground work and piling you'd need to do to put the stadium next to the beach.

The stadium itself would actually fit inside the empty site itself too, but I guess then you'd need car parking, emergency access, etc, to be underneath the stadium.

Either way, a far better option than anything that's been proposed so far.

You need enough space around the stadium for the entire capacity to be evacuated into a controlled space whilst still allowing space for emergency vehicles.

You also need to plan for 20000 odd people suddenly packing into an area with infrastructure not currently designed to accommodate it. Road, pavement and junction improvements, traffic management Utility upgrades etc

Football stadiums dont get 'compulsary purchase orders.

One reason Arsenal's stadium was so expensive was not only did they have to buy the surrounding buildings, they also had to buy replacement houses/ commercial properties for the occupants.

Stamford Bridge's redevelopment was effectively cancelled due to the objections of one lone householder.

Carparking under a very large structure with significant weight fluctuations on former victorian industrial site with an underground stream on one side and a railway tunnel on the other?

Network Rail held up a housing project near Edinburgh because 4 houses were too close to the roof of a tunnel. When asked what they think about having a stadium built close if not on top of their tunnel the short answer will ne 'No' and the long one 'FUCK no'

Finally Emergency Access 'under a building'?! Yeah you really want to be parking the fire engine under the raging inferno.

Gonna throw this out there.

Whatever you may think or Architects, Stadium Designers, Engineers, Town Planners, and the Officials at the Club, do you think if Broadford works was a feasible they wouldnt have considered it?

[Slim]

So option 1 with a big enough chequebook for compo/brown envelopes then, sorted! Will still be cheaper than the beach option.

[Panda]

2 hours ago, Jute said:

3.6 miles from station to Cinieworld according to google maps and new location is a bit further along Kingsway so added 10 minutes to their 1 hour 35 estimate to Cinieworld. Vast majority of that uphill. Nobody is really walking that. Only way of reaching the site will be car or bus. I am cynical about the claims about shuttle buses as bus companies just don’t carry enough capacity to run existing services never mind extra match day services. It will also add additional cost to those travelling by public transport. 
 

 

But the thing is though, where is everyone travelling from? 

You're measuring the distance from the station - how many Dundee fans travel to Dens Park from the train station just now? Dundee only has two stations (the other Broughty Ferry) so my guess is very few.

Bus station - buses don't just stop at the station though. Many routes will go past Camperdown and there'll be new ones added.

What are the current travel options to get to Dens Park? A lot of people will need to just take a slight detour to get to Camperdown if going by car or bus.

It's entirely different from the Kingsford/Pittodrie comparison, as these two sites aren't that far apart.

Edited August 24 by Panda

[tom_widdows]

Nothing new on the stadium saga im assuming (although keep selling out and a lack of capacity discussion my appear)?

Anyway this is apparently Everton's new stadium's answer to Anfield's Kop.

The design brief was to get fans as close to the pitch as possible

 

[Tyrant]

BBC Gossip column saying that the cost of the new grun is no longer £50m but £80m. I will not name the "source" out of principle but that's Duk's price tag gone up drastically. 

[manc_don]

Also noted in the financial report that we’re not moving from pittodrie for the foreseeable. None of this surprises me.

[RicoS321]

8 minutes ago, manc_don said:

Also noted in the financial report that we’re not moving from pittodrie for the foreseeable. None of this surprises me.

Good. Pittodrie is fucking ace.

[Kowalski]

“Dons chiefs are ploughing ahead with major Pittodrie upgrades, after a “realisation” over the time and money needed to build a new stadium.

At last night’s AGM, chairman Dave Cormack revealed that plans for a new home have been shelved, as the club remain in a deadlock with Aberdeen City Council over its funding.

It comes as the value of the Pittodrie site, which it’s thought would have been sold for housing, dramatically decreases – meaning Aberdeen FC would not get “the best deal” for it.

And chief executive Alan Burrows also committed to major upgrades to Pittodrie.

Amid the uncertainty over the proposed seaside relocation, he said the club’s historic home is likely to be the Dons’ base for “a number of years”.”

 

Christ, I remember being at an AGM over 10 years ago and we were told remaining at Pittodrie wasn’t an option. 

[tom_widdows]

I wonder if the drop in Pittodrie's value as housing means the houses and flats behind and around the merkland, south corner, and carpark are now dropping in value?

Other thought is the land earmarked for the new stadium possibly more valueable as housing?

Some quick property purchases with deals to include a new home(s) for the adjacent golf club(s) in the stand and maybe pittodrie street's route can be altered freeing up space to replace the main stand with one that meets current regs.

Merkland lane is a headache though and all the relocating of utilities, drainage etc....

13000 seats it is then with capacity raised to 15/16000 if safe standing installed

 

[manc_don]

Would be quite handy if we were able to buy up some of that land. A full rotation of the pitch would probably be out of the question (from memory one of your options?) but would potentially allow a good stand to replace the south, and potentially shift the alignment of the pitch to allow future main stand redevelopment.

[tom_widdows]

That idea ended up with a braga style stadium although looking at it 9 years later I think its pie in the sky thinking unless the 'new merkland' had alot of glass to maximise the natural light around it.

I wonder if this will also end up on Twitter?


 

Edited December 14 by tom_widdows

[RicoS321]

38 minutes ago, tom_widdows said:

That idea ended up with a braga style stadium although looking at it 9 years later I think its pie in the sky thinking unless the 'new merkland' had alot of glass to maximise the natural light around it.

I wonder if this will also end up on Twitter?


 

That's ace. Get it done. Maybe slide the whole thing towards the sea by 10 metres to help the lads on merkland road with their vitamin D.

[dons8321]

3 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

That's ace. Get it done. Maybe slide the whole thing towards the sea by 10 metres to help the lads on merkland road with their vitamin D.

Listen mate, don't be ageist, because if you're lucky you'll be old one day! I don't need any extra Vitamin D - both my teeth are my own, my muscles are adequate enough for me to stand by the urinal for 10 minutes (and, because my ancient brain is still sort of functions) realise it, too late, should have been 15 mins), and my bones are OK-ish if you'll excuse the creaking sound when I'm actually mobile.  And sliding the ground towards the sea would only increase the incidences for glacoma for us old guys.  Apart from that, thanks for your input.

Edited December 14 by dons8321

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, dons8321 said:

Listen mate, don't be ageist, because if you're lucky you'll be old one day! I don't need any extra Vitamin D - both my teeth are my own, my muscles are adequate enough for me to stand by the urinal for 10 minutes (and, because my ancient brain is still sort of functions) realise it, too late, should have been 15 mins), and my bones are OK-ish if you'll excuse the creaking sound when I'm actually mobile.  And sliding the ground towards the sea would only increase the incidences for glacoma for us old guys.  Apart from that, thanks for your input.

I was referring to the flats behind the merkland not getting any sunlight. 

[tom_widdows]

5 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

That's ace. Get it done. Maybe slide the whole thing towards the sea by 10 metres to help the lads on merkland road with their vitamin D.

Need to demolish RDS for that.

Plus doubt the area of concourse behind it could be reduced without the capacity of the RDS replacement being lower

 

[RicoS321]

8 hours ago, tom_widdows said:

Need to demolish RDS for that.

Plus doubt the area of concourse behind it could be reduced without the capacity of the RDS replacement being lower

 

It'll need demolished soon anyway, it was built by Stewart Milne. 

Just move the road back a bit. It's fine, we're the Dons, anything goes.