New Stadium at Loirston - poll

[dave_min]

how many people do you think would take a train to loirston to go to a restaurant/cinema/bar/kid's play area/5 a-side's/golf driving range/whatever is built there? 

 

I thought there was a business park getting built there too? Also, the people of Cove could use it

 

there's no train link to the airport. 

 

Oh yes there is!!

 

i never said a pub wouldn't get enough business, i said if there were several pubs they wouldn't get enough business.

 

Let's all go to the Cove Rangers social then!

[Guest fatshaft]

I am unhappy with the proposed site for the new stadium from a purely selfish point of view. Due to travelling from the north I would be required to go through the city centre and this would pose a massive headache for me. The congestion would be horrific and would make travelling to games a real hassle. With the current state of my finances and the football on offer this would seriously make me think twice about going to games.

Of course if the proposed bypass ever goes ahead and a road to loirston loch was provided then this would solve many problems. It would also mean no sitting in traffic for an hour waiting to get out of Aberdeen as I currentley do. As for the pub situation I am sure that this will be sorted as some enterprising young person will build one out there to cater for the many fans.

Parkway>Anderson Drive>A90. No need to hit the city centre at all.

 

you think it's difficult getting home from pittodrie? it'll take much longer for most from loirston  much less roads to use and i would guess heavier traffic due to more fans taking their cars 

Longer for who though? Lets ignore any possibility of a WPR 'cos there's no guarantee of that. At the moment, to leave Pittodrie you have King Street, or round the beach through Market Street somewhere either down the A90 or North Deeside Road, or west via Hutcheon Street, Westburn, Lang Stracht, or Great Northern Road out kintore way. All of which create an immediate bottleneck and are nose to tail until you clear the city boundaries.

 

Loirston however will provide easy exit for anyone to the south, they benefit immediately.

 

Anyone using north or south Deeside road will be better off.

 

Anyone heading west on the lang stracht route will now do the drive, then Queens road probably, they will be much the same or marginally better off.

 

Anyone walking to the ground will be the same, so let's swap the city centre residents for the gadgies of Cove, Nigg and Kincorth, no loss or gain.

 

Those heading north or along the Kintore corridor will be losers almost certainly.

 

Loirston exits onto dual carraigeway's, first Wellington Road, then of course the A90 where most fans will head for. It will work fine, and better than now, where you exit onto busy city streets that have a lot of shopping traffic thrown into the mix as well, those extra vehicles will be largely missing up there.

 

Finally, I would imagine number of fans taking a car would be less if anything. Your average city centre dweller tends not to have a car, they will bus it, your average Cove/Kincorth resident has a car, they will walk.

 

 

 

 

[baggy89]

I am unhappy with the proposed site for the new stadium from a purely selfish point of view. Due to travelling from the north I would be required to go through the city centre and this would pose a massive headache for me. The congestion would be horrific and would make travelling to games a real hassle. With the current state of my finances and the football on offer this would seriously make me think twice about going to games.

Of course if the proposed bypass ever goes ahead and a road to loirston loch was provided then this would solve many problems. It would also mean no sitting in traffic for an hour waiting to get out of Aberdeen as I currentley do. As for the pub situation I am sure that this will be sorted as some enterprising young person will build one out there to cater for the many fans.

 

I'm fairly certain I read a few years ago that the majority of Aberdeen's support travel from north of Pittodrie. Although if that was the case, you would hope that this would have been taken into account in the feasibility study.

[The Doricle]

Personally, i prefer the beach as i feel if it must be re-developed somwhere else it should be kept near it's spiritual home. Lets face it, there's not going to be much infrastructure out at loirston, whereas all transport routes head into the city, which is of more use to all home and away fans.

 

And that's without even mentioning the requirement for suitable venues for pre- and post-match refreshments.

[Guest fatshaft]

I'm fairly certain I read a few years ago that the majority of Aberdeen's support travel from north of Pittodrie. Although if that was the case, you would hope that this would have been taken into account in the feasibility study.

More A96 route than A90 though I think? Without the WPR, you would imagine that the route from Skene through Carnie>Culter>Milltimber onto south Deeside road will be very busy.

[ntbear]

Kingswells with a bypass was and always will be the best option

[Huck the Funs]

Longer for who though? Lets ignore any possibility of a WPR 'cos there's no guarantee of that. At the moment, to leave Pittodrie you have King Street, or round the beach through Market Street somewhere either down the A90 or North Deeside Road, or west via Hutcheon Street, Westburn, Lang Stracht, or Great Northern Road out kintore way. All of which create an immediate bottleneck and are nose to tail until you clear the city boundaries.

 

Loirston however will provide easy exit for anyone to the south, they benefit immediately.

 

Anyone using north or south Deeside road will be better off.

 

Anyone heading west on the lang stracht route will now do the drive, then Queens road probably, they will be much the same or marginally better off.

 

Anyone walking to the ground will be the same, so let's swap the city centre residents for the gadgies of Cove, Nigg and Kincorth, no loss or gain.

 

Those heading north or along the Kintore corridor will be losers almost certainly.

 

Loirston exits onto dual carraigeway's, first Wellington Road, then of course the A90 where most fans will head for. It will work fine, and better than now, where you exit onto busy city streets that have a lot of shopping traffic thrown into the mix as well, those extra vehicles will be largely missing up there.

 

Finally, I would imagine number of fans taking a car would be less if anything. Your average city centre dweller tends not to have a car, they will bus it, your average Cove/Kincorth resident has a car, they will walk.

 

There are two places to park, a car park at the ground or on street in Cove, maybe three if you add Kincorth which if you’re lucky and manage to park at the southernmost part is 3km away.  If you park in the car park at the ground you have two directions to go to get back into the city, that’s after you’ve managed to get out of the car park, south to join on to the A90 and north to go up Wellington Road.  I doubt very much if the traffic that goes south would be able to join the A90 without stopping at the give way line due to the volume of traffic.  Due to needing a considerably larger gap in traffic a car joining from a stop position will need more time to join the dual carriageway than a moving car will, adding to the congestion back to Wellington Road which goes to single carriageway at Charleston.  Southbound traffic and traffic leaving from Cove will meet at the roundabout, although there is the coast road out of Cove the vast majority would head to Wellington Road.  Let’s say there were 2000 drivers, 500 head south, 500 head south to back into the city, 500 leave the car park to head along Wellington Road and 500 park at Cove, 1000 cars would meet at the same time at the Cove roundabout which has traffic signals which run on a say a typical 90 second cycle.  Each stage gets an equal amount of  green time, in that 40 seconds maybe 20 cars [more than likely less] will get through the lights from a stop position, that’s 40 cars every cycle, it would take roughly 37.5 minutes for the vehicles at the rear of the queues just to clear the signals and that’s not including any local traffic, half the amount of vehicles and it’s still nearly 20 minutes. Those that do use the coast road will come out at Torry and will be faced with traffic signals at Market Street.  Market Street is a class 0 road and the heaviest trafficked in Aberdeen and as such the signals will be set for priority for this road, leaving Victoria Road as a side road.  Sometimes when there is congestion and traffic moves very slowly detectors for the traffic signals have difficulty in picking up the slow moving traffic, the controller for the signals then thinks there is no traffic waiting to get out of the side road so reduces the amount of time given to the side road and therefore adding to the congestion.

 

At Pittodrie traffic isn’t immediately forced together on to the same couple of roads as there are more areas to park.  Cars parked on the Esplanade head to the Bridge of Don and Beach Boulevard, those parked in Seaton/Linksfield can access King Street from either Seaton Drive, School Road, Linksfield Road or Pittodrie Place.  Those parked at Castlehill can get on to King Street at Seaforth Road, Urquhart Road, Roslin Terrace, Frederick Street and East North Street, they can also use the Beach Boulevard or Commerce Street.  Those parked in Froghall/Sunnybank can leave the area at College Bounds, Sunnyside Road, Bedford Place, Elmbank Terrace, Fraser Place, King’s Crescent, Merkland Road and Orchard Street.  Of course there are bottlenecks but there would still be more options open to drivers at Pittodrie than Loirston as all traffic heading north of the river have only 4 bridges to choose from, 5 if you count Milltimber.

 

Probably all bollocks though

[dave_min]

There are two places to park, a car park at the ground or on street in Cove, maybe three if you add Kincorth which if you’re lucky and manage to park at the southernmost part is 3km away.  If you park in the car park at the ground you have two directions to go to get back into the city, that’s after you’ve managed to get out of the car park, south to join on to the A90 and north to go up Wellington Road.  I doubt very much if the traffic that goes south would be able to join the A90 without stopping at the give way line due to the volume of traffic.  Due to needing a considerably larger gap in traffic a car joining from a stop position will need more time to join the dual carriageway than a moving car will, adding to the congestion back to Wellington Road which goes to single carriageway at Charleston.  Southbound traffic and traffic leaving from Cove will meet at the roundabout, although there is the coast road out of Cove the vast majority would head to Wellington Road.  Let’s say there were 2000 drivers, 500 head south, 500 head south to back into the city, 500 leave the car park to head along Wellington Road and 500 park at Cove, 1000 cars would meet at the same time at the Cove roundabout which has traffic signals which run on a say a typical 90 second cycle.  Each stage gets an equal amount of  green time, in that 40 seconds maybe 20 cars [more than likely less] will get through the lights from a stop position, that’s 40 cars every cycle, it would take roughly 37.5 minutes for the vehicles at the rear of the queues just to clear the signals and that’s not including any local traffic, half the amount of vehicles and it’s still nearly 20 minutes. Those that do use the coast road will come out at Torry and will be faced with traffic signals at Market Street.  Market Street is a class 0 road and the heaviest trafficked in Aberdeen and as such the signals will be set for priority for this road, leaving Victoria Road as a side road.  Sometimes when there is congestion and traffic moves very slowly detectors for the traffic signals have difficulty in picking up the slow moving traffic, the controller for the signals then thinks there is no traffic waiting to get out of the side road so reduces the amount of time given to the side road and therefore adding to the congestion.

 

At Pittodrie traffic isn’t immediately forced together on to the same couple of roads as there are more areas to park.  Cars parked on the Esplanade head to the Bridge of Don and Beach Boulevard, those parked in Seaton/Linksfield can access King Street from either Seaton Drive, School Road, Linksfield Road or Pittodrie Place.  Those parked at Castlehill can get on to King Street at Seaforth Road, Urquhart Road, Roslin Terrace, Frederick Street and East North Street, they can also use the Beach Boulevard or Commerce Street.  Those parked in Froghall/Sunnybank can leave the area at College Bounds, Sunnyside Road, Bedford Place, Elmbank Terrace, Fraser Place, King’s Crescent, Merkland Road and Orchard Street.  Of course there are bottlenecks but there would still be more options open to drivers at Pittodrie than Loirston as all traffic heading north of the river have only 4 bridges to choose from, 5 if you count Milltimber.

 

Probably all bollocks though

 

I stopped at this point, cause that bit of road has been duel-ed (Is that the correct spelling FJ?) since the start of the year, so I assumed the rest was just bollocks.

[Huck the Funs]

I stopped at this point, cause that bit of road has been duel-ed (Is that the correct spelling FJ?) since the start of the year, so I assumed the rest was just bollocks.

 

aye, well done, the dual carriageway on Wellington Road starts after Charleston

 

it's single carriageway from charleston to the A90 northbound, with heavy traffic two lanes of vehicles will be merging into one lane

[dave_min]

aye, well done, the dual carriageway on Wellington Road starts after Charleston

 

it's single carriageway from charleston to the A90 northbound, with heavy traffic two lanes of vehicles will be merging into one lane

 

Oh no it's not!

 

It's 2 lanes all the way from Torry to the A90 now.

[Mackie's ace!]

Surely if we had a stadium in Kingswells then you've got the problem of a lot of people not being able to walk there, and traffic out that way isn't great at rush hour at the best of times. Given there's no guarantee of a bypass, this would be worse than Loirston surely?!

[dave_min]

aye, well done, the dual carriageway on Wellington Road starts after Charleston

 

it's single carriageway from charleston to the A90 northbound, with heavy traffic two lanes of vehicles will be merging into one lane

 

Here, I checked Google Streetview for you:

 

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Wellington+Road,aberdeen&sll=57.076948,-2.787309&sspn=0.011289,0.038624&g=charleston,+aberdeenshire&ie=UTF8&ll=57.105114,-2.075729&spn=0.022561,0.077248&z=14&layer=c&cbll=57.107564,-2.093257&panoid=4Zpuv5OB8rkN4CGs9AVWEw&cbp=12,247.12271104322375,,0,4.999999999999999

 

Those roadworks are finished now.

[CtS]

On the issue of Bars etc, what's the chances of the club spotting this gap in the market and having a licensed premesis of their own open on matchdays? 

 

Money for old rope.

 

 

Mind you, this is afc we're talking about. 

[manc_don]

On the issue of Bars etc, what's the chances of the club spotting this gap in the market and having a licensed premesis of their own open on matchdays? 

 

Money for old rope.

 

 

Mind you, this is afc we're talking about. 

 

FAR too logical Killie do that do they not? Though not under the same plc or something like that?

[Huck the Funs]

Here, I checked Google Streetview for you:

 

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Wellington+Road,aberdeen&sll=57.076948,-2.787309&sspn=0.011289,0.038624&g=charleston,+aberdeenshire&ie=UTF8&ll=57.105114,-2.075729&spn=0.022561,0.077248&z=14&layer=c&cbll=57.107564,-2.093257&panoid=4Zpuv5OB8rkN4CGs9AVWEw&cbp=12,247.12271104322375,,0,4.999999999999999

 

Those roadworks are finished now.

 

tell you what, read my post again, i've now stated which part i am talking about twice, then go and google stretview it again

[dave_min]

tell you what, read my post again, i've now stated which part i am talking about twice, then go and google stretview it again

 

I've read it again, and the whole road has still been dualed.

[dave_min]

think he maybe means the one lane bit over the Charleston fly-over and down to the slip road onto the A90.

 

I suspect he means that too.

 

But it doesn't change the fact that the whole entire length of Wellington Road is dual carriageway.

 

I can't imagine more than a handful of people would use that fly-over anyway. Surely coming out the new stadium you'd take a left and take Wellington Road down to the roundabout to meet the A90 there?

 

But anyway, that Snelders was a right cunt, he played for Rangers don't you know

[Huck the Funs]

But anyway, that Snelders was a right cunt, he played for Rangers don't you know

 

ah 

[Kowalski]

The stadium at Cove simply has to happen with the AWPR.

Both seem very unlikely in my lifetime, but they must happen together.  Pointless building a stadium in Cove if the bypass to route supporters from the North is not in place.

As Jagerdeen suggests, traffic is a nightmare in Aberdeen just now.

[dave_min]

The feasibility study apparently states that access from the North will be advised via Wellington Road. They seem to be really downplaying the whole transport infrastructure issue which seems odd.

 

That's a bit dumb?

 

From the city centre Wellington Road, but from the 'North' is must be Anderson Drive/A90, even Andrew could see that.

 

But lets face it, there's as much chance of all this happening as me winning the lottery, so how about when it's build i'll just come pick you up from the Pitt bar in my helicopter about 10 mins before KO?

[manc_don]

That's a bit dumb?

 

From the city centre Wellington Road, but from the 'North' is must be Anderson Drive/A90, even Andrew could see that.

 

But lets face it, there's as much chance of all this happening as me winning the lottery, so how about when it's build i'll just come pick you up from the Pitt bar in my helicopter about 10 mins before KO?

 

Man, think of your carbon footprint 

[dave_min]

Man, think of your carbon footprint 

 

So, you don't want a lift then?

[dave_min]

If they build it I will probably relocate to Cove... or Australia

 

If it's the latter, I could send my imaginary plane for you...

[manc_don]

So, you don't want a lift then?

 

Well, since you're asking, it would be rude not to  

[Guest fatshaft]

<snip all that stuff>

 

Probably all bollocks though

I agree with your last sentence.

 

Let's assume, that as at Pittodrie now, there is actually some active traffic management going on (imagine if there wasn't!). In fact, let me give a very simple comparison. The Reebok. Yes I know, it's where Bolton play, blah blah blah. It's also funnily enough what AFC said was their stadium model.

 

It just so happens, that the Reebok has a very similar road structure to Loirston. It has a retail park on one side, with of course large car park, as well as the stadium car park itself. 99% of traffic parks there match day. It has one road, a dual caraigeway, leading away to both the M61 (virtually identical distance away to the A90), and in the other direction into Horwich(call that Kincorth) and further on Bolton. There are no other ways away from the stadium. By the stadium itself there is a large roundabout with signals, exit from the stadium car park is signal controlled, yet on match days both of these are police controlled and over-ridden to ensure that traffic flows in one way for a long time to speed exit.

 

As an example, I parked in the retail park this last weekend, which means travelling around the stadium 270 degrees before heading the right way. I live 25 miles away, and yet was home by 5.30 when the final whistle went at 4.50.

 

Of course those in the north of Aberdeenshire will have longer to get home, they will now be on the wrong side of town, but for drivers as a whole, clearing the football area will be markedly better even if Grampian Police make an arse of it by doing nothing, which they wont. (they might make an arse of it, but they won't do nothing)

 

Pick holes in Loirston if you like, but traffic delays is one you cannot criticise. I can only assume you don;t drive, and have never suffered the nonsense of leaving Pittodrie by car on a Saturday.