TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Billy Dodds was replaced... So was Calderwood. Quote
glasgow sheep Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 We haven't replaced Jim Bett or David Robertson! or McLeish, Miller, Irvine, Wright, Grant, Jess, Shearer, Booth (mkI), Mixu, Glass, McKimmie, Theo, Rico, etc etc and that's just from the 90s! Quote
Kowalski Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 So was Calderwood. Presumably the protestors are taking the credit for last night's debacle as well. Quote
boboisared Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 The one and only time he did it. Clark is/was a superb tackler, he didn't do it often enough particularly in the middle of the park. He had a shot when he had the notion too but yet again seemed to lack conviction with it. A player I very much liked though. Total agreement BB btw the way. Clark wasn't much cop as a centre midfielder in a 4-4-2. However I think he'd be perfect as 'the worker' in a 4-3-3. Clark was brilliant at harrying the opposition and winning the ball, the problem was he was too scared to do anything with it afterwards because the fans got on his back. I'd love to still have him here. Quote
Tyrant Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Presumably the protestors are taking the credit for last night's debacle as well. Aye. Take a bow, Stoney. Well done. Quote
ntbear Posted July 31, 2009 Author Report Posted July 31, 2009 He HAS money and no-one has came in, a mistake he has already admitted to. Jimmy aimed high at signings and got some, McGhee aimed high, but hasn't got them, it's clear both Jimmy and Mark realise we need players of a certain calibre which the board are not willing to match. We are going to rot with this policy. Quote
stubo72 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 We haven't replaced Hart, Anderson, McNaughton, Seve, ...I'm sure the list goes on. As I said we need atleast 2, probably 3 defenders, and that's before we worry about our strike force. But then we have needed 2 defenders ever since Hart and Anderson left, so I'm not holding my breath. It's tragic really, innit... Anderson was a good, generally solid defender. He wasn't even a regular Scotland international though, let alone world-class. It is only the relative paucity of ability on show since he's left that makes him seem like he was a much better player than he ever was... Sigh... Quote
RDU_64 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 I always thought Clark was a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none. He could play just about anywhere across the defence and midfield yet struggled to make a position his own. Maybury, in my opinion, was a stronger right back than Hart. The squad needs investment and quickly. It's only so long that you can lose important players and get away with it and with Severin leaving (a hoor of a good midfielder and an adequate center back on his day), I think the squad has finally been pushed to its limit. The board has never invested strongly in the squad, instead prefering stop gap, poorer replacements in the likes of Mair, Young, JDV etc. The squad needs at least 3 defenders and a couple of midfielders at least and unless they loosen the purse strings (which is more difficult than ever at this point in time), then next season could see the loss of further important players such as Miller, Kerr, and McDonald. Quote
Ajja Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 I always thought Clark was a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none. He could play just about anywhere across the defence and midfield yet struggled to make a position his own. Maybury, in my opinion, was a stronger right back than Hart. The squad needs investment and quickly. It's only so long that you can lose important players and get away with it and with Severin leaving (a hoor of a good midfielder and an adequate center back on his day), I think the squad has finally been pushed to its limit. The board has never invested strongly in the squad, instead prefering stop gap, poorer replacements in the likes of Mair, Young, JDV etc. The squad needs at least 3 defenders and a couple of midfielders at least and unless they loosen the purse strings (which is more difficult than ever at this point in time), then next season could see the loss of further important players such as Miller, Kerr, and McDonald. I would suggest that Aluko, MacDonald, Kerr and possibly even Mulgrew were good additions who may bring different skills to the likes of Clark, Nicholson and Severin but are not obviously poorer replacements. I do agree, however, that defensively we have not replaced good players. Quote
boboisared Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 I guess it's easy to say "if we had kept those players we'd have a cracknig team now" but in relevance we wouldn't have afforded to sign the good players and keep their replacements. Quote
RDU_64 Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 I would suggest that Aluko, MacDonald, Kerr and possibly even Mulgrew were good additions who may bring different skills to the likes of Clark, Nicholson and Severin but are not obviously poorer replacements. I do agree, however, that defensively we have not replaced good players. Indeed. I am a big fan of the Kerr/McDonald partnership in the middle. Very much in the same mould as Severin and Nicholson. Obviously we have been lucky that the manager at the time could pick up and persuade the likes of Kerr, McDonald, Aluko and Mulgrew to come to Aberdeen on bosmans or for small fees. These players are of the same quality and have helped replace the likes of Clark, Nicholson and McNaughton. However, defensively, money has not been spent. Even going as far back as not replacing Heikkinen and from then on, it's been a steady stream of defenders leaving the club and not being replaced, Anderson, Hart, even Maybury! He was a perfect replacement, chose not to come here and now we're left with the likes of Foster, Duff, Considine and Young for a defence. It is an indictment of the defence when Diamond, a 21 year old who is still yet to fufill his early potential, is our best defender. Last night was the result of a threadbare and limited squad, with a new manager, trying to implement new tactics, formations and ideas whilst not suceeding. Reinforcements are needed and needed fast. Quote
boboisared Posted July 31, 2009 Report Posted July 31, 2009 Indeed. I am a big fan of the Kerr/McDonald partnership in the middle. Very much in the same mould as Severin and Nicholson. Obviously we have been lucky that the manager at the time could pick up and persuade the likes of Kerr, McDonald, Aluko and Mulgrew to come to Aberdeen on bosmans or for small fees. These players are of the same quality and have helped replace the likes of Clark, Nicholson and McNaughton. However, defensively, money has not been spent. Even going as far back as not replacing Heikkinen and from then on, it's been a steady stream of defenders leaving the club and not being replaced, Anderson, Hart, even Maybury! He was a perfect replacement, chose not to come here and now we're left with the likes of Foster, Duff, Considine and Young for a defence. It is an indictment of the defence when Diamond, a 21 year old who is still yet to fufill his early potential, is our best defender. Last night was the result of a threadbare and limited squad, with a new manager, trying to implement new tactics, formations and ideas whilst not suceeding. Reinforcements are needed and needed fast. IMO Nicholson was quite poor for us in the middle. Always thought his best work was done on the right side of midfield. Quote
capitalsharpie Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 It's tragic really, innit... Anderson was a good, generally solid defender. He wasn't even a regular Scotland international though, let alone world-class. It is only the relative paucity of ability on show since he's left that makes him seem like he was a much better player than he ever was... Sigh... I disagree totally and utterly. Just because he wasnt in the scotland squad regularly doesnt mean a thing. how many in form, scottish based non old firm players regularly get a game for scotland? IM not in the "captain marvel" mind set about anderson. however, some of the challenges he used to make within the 18 yard box were pure class. If aN opponent player did manage to get passed one of our other defenders and hove in on goal, you used to always feel confident that Anderson would be on him getting a foot round the ball and away to safety. He sorted the back line out, martialled our defence in aconstructive manner and quite simply was our best captain in may a long year. In time he should have been up there with Miller and Mcleish, but ah well, as long as he's having the career he dreamed of in the world of superior english football. Quote
El Padre™ Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 I disagree totally and utterly. Just because he wasnt in the scotland squad regularly doesnt mean a thing. how many in form, scottish based non old firm players regularly get a game for scotland? IM not in the "captain marvel" mind set about anderson. however, some of the challenges he used to make within the 18 yard box were pure class. If aN opponent player did manage to get passed one of our other defenders and hove in on goal, you used to always feel confident that Anderson would be on him getting a foot round the ball and away to safety. He sorted the back line out, martialled our defence in aconstructive manner and quite simply was our best captain in may a long year. In time he should have been up there with Miller and Mcleish, but ah well, as long as he's having the career he dreamed of in the world of superior english football. That was a move he deserved and I'm sure none of us grudged him the chance to play at a higher level. Quote
redordead Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 I think this thread is a tad hasty, No one can defend the result and I was all for Mike Newell but to be fair I don't think McGhee's done a lot wrong. He put faith in Mackie and Miller up front, realised this was a bloody stupid idea and pulled Mackie, I'd imagine he'll struggle for the first 11 now. Lets face it JC would have pulled miller and put on someone randomly to confuse us. Aluko also strutted around as though he'd made it doing piss all to help the team, again spot on to change him. The real problem was lack of depth, shown by the bench. The back 4 whilst inept were probably the only volunteers from the squad. Consi had a bad game but he was trying to organise the other 3 as well. Kerr is never a skipper, not vocal enough and when he got the ball looked for the pass back instead of driving forward and spurring the team on. A tidy footballer but not an inspiration. In conclusion, we need our 2 CB's fit, a new full back or 2 ( ricky did well at LB IMO ) and a proper striker. Mulgrew should stay LB as his control was crap on thursday and showed he's not up to midfield. I suppose you could say McGhee should have sorted these positions already but he's tried to put faith in a team who can't be trusted on big nights and this really is his only but MASSIVE error. p.s Was I the only one that thinks Clangers really failed to marshall the defence and dropped us in it a couple of times by sticking to his line when it was obviously his ball. Made some good saves in game but really needs to tidy up the bread and butter stuff. Still a bombscare, was like tynecastle v's utd all over for 1st half Quote
caledonia Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 If Calderwood had played foster/mackie/duff/young even in position for some of them i would have been calling him a useless fuck. And i know McGhee needs a chance but surly he knows about these players ability's and has seen them enough to know even in position at best they are average. I dont think he will get any more funds now as there were not much going about when Milne was making millions in profit from his homes before the construction industry basically crashed. We cant compete with English second division teams now transfer wise so the only other option as long as we are still regarded as a bigish team in Scotland is to try and get players from other teams like Killie/Hibs/Dundee/Motherwell etc etc. Or cant we compete with them also What i am saying is its basically MONEY that is the problem but failing that use the big team strategy for getting players from other Scottish teams Quote
RDU_64 Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Lets face it JC would have pulled miller and put on someone randomly to confuse us. Pish. Quote
octavion Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 From To Name P W D L Win%[55] Ref 1903 1924 Philip, JimmyJimmy Philip 644 221 172 251 34.32% [56] 1924 1937 Travers, PaddyPaddy Travers 474 214 106 154 45.15% [56] 1937 1955 Halliday, DaveDave Halliday 371 165 71 135 44.47% [56] 1955 1959 Shaw, DavieDavie Shaw 148 66 20 62 44.59% [56] 1959 1965 Pearson, TommyTommy Pearson 180 66 42 72 36.67% [56] 1965 1971 Turnbull, EddieEddie Turnbull 216 101 43 72 46.75% [56] 1971 1975 Bonthrone, JimmyJimmy Bonthrone 143 67 46 30 46.85% [56] 1975 1977 MacLeod, AllyAlly MacLeod 61 24 19 18 39.34% [56] 1977 1978 McNeill, BillyBilly McNeill 36 22 9 5 61.11% [56] 1978 1986 Ferguson, AlexAlex Ferguson 288 167 71 50 57.99% [56] 1986 1986 Ferguson, AlexAlex Ferguson Knox, ArchieArchie Knox 15 7 5 3 46.67% [56] 1986 1988 Porterfield, IanIan Porterfield 71 35 27 9 49.30% [56] 1988 1991 Scott, JockyJocky Scott Smith, AlexAlex Smith 117 63 35 19 53.85% [56] 1991 1992 Smith, AlexAlex Smith 23 7 7 9 30.43% [56] 1992 1995 Miller, WillieWillie Miller 124 53 45 26 42.47% [56] 1995 1997 Aitken, RoyRoy Aitken 124 50 31 43 40.32% [57] 1997 1998 Miller, AlexAlex Miller 43 11 13 19 25.58% [58] 1999 2002 Skovdahl, EbbeEbbe Skovdahl 159 54 37 68 33.96% [59] 2002 2004 Paterson, SteveSteve Paterson 68 23 13 32 33.82% [60] 2004 2009 Calderwood, JimmyJimmy Calderwood 227 94 60 73 41.41% [61] 2009 – McGhee, MarkMark McGhee2 0 0 2 0% [62] i WONDER WHAT EVERYONE ELSES STATS WERE IN FIRST COUPLE OF GAMES ? HE HASNT STARTED WELL HAS HE Quote
manc_don Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Surely you don't begrudge him that move do you capitalsharpie?!? He deserved that move, and its a shame it hasn't worked out for him. But hopefully, the board realise now really is the time to replace him and hopefully Hart as well! Otherwise its going to be one helluva season for all the wrong reasons. Quote
scotfree Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Sir Alex first game for Man U was not a good one as well. They got fucked over by the mighty Oxford United 2-0 Not that I'm saying that MM is in the same league as Sir Alex. Quote
Madbadteacher Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Fergie lost his first game 2-0 to thistle didn't he? And if i remember correctly the last manager to win his 1st game in charge might have been Jimmy Bonthrone? Quote
ntbear Posted August 1, 2009 Author Report Posted August 1, 2009 I started the thread to point out to the Jimmy haters that all that is wrong with AFC is the board and chairman, not the current incumbent of the managers chair. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an insane clown. I hope McGhee is a success, but it is highly unlikely with the current chairman and board. Wiggy oot Quote
El Padre™ Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 Sir Alex first game for Man U was not a good one as well. They got fucked over by the mighty Oxford United 2-0 Not that I'm saying that MM is in the same league as Sir Alex. I think you'll find that he clearly is. According to the hat three months or so ago. Quote
TENEMENTFUNSTER Posted August 1, 2009 Report Posted August 1, 2009 I think you'll find that he clearly is. According to the hat three months or so ago. Or currently. Thick motherfuckers. Quote
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