Major Restructuring in the Pipeline for SPL

[Madbadteacher]

It's a shite plan that's been cobbled together in some lodge somewhere.

 

As for of "colts" GFT with that! >

[dickofthedons]

Is this a joke??

A middle leage of ten just makes no sense, a third tier of ten maybe but why the middle tier?? Also "colt" teams with fuck all of a real fanbase is farsical, there are teams all over Scotland more deserving of places. We need a pyramid system so small teams with proper passionate fans can have aims and goals, not just a big Rangers and Celtic bumfest

[CtS]

And what the fuck happens when the Celtic and Rangers 'colt' teams get promoted to the top tier? 

[Madbadteacher]

Or the big teams get relegated? 

[Kowalski]

Is this a joke??

A middle leage of ten just makes no sense, a third tier of ten maybe but why the middle tier?? Also "colt" teams with fuck all of a real fanbase is farsical, there are teams all over Scotland more deserving of places. We need a pyramid system so small teams with proper passionate fans can have aims and goals, not just a big Rangers and Celtic bumfest

 

Sums up pretty much what I was going to post (although I'd have corrected my spelling  ).

 

I'm all for expanding the top tier but this idea is ludicrous.

[Nellie The Don]

Wow.  What a total clusterfuck of a proposal.

 

How Longmuir, Regan and Cockwomble didn't all get their jotters in the summer is beyond me, but surely with crap like this it's only a matter of time before the clubs lose patience and oust the leadership of the three governing bodies, not one useful or helpful thing having issued forth from any of them.

 

[mizer]

That can go fuck itself , colt teams?! What the fuck is this! Absolute disgrace!

[manc_don]

Surely if this wasn't what the clubs wanted, they would have got their jotters nellie??? Its a complete joke of a proposal though and I genuinely hope it gets shot to pieces.

[BigAl]

Change is needed, and this might be the start point.

Fear not guys this proposal as it stands isn't going to happen. For starters apparently it would require eleven of the twelve current SPL teams voting in favour and its not going to happen. Colt teams....no fucking chance, it is a reduction in power and money sucking out of Scottish football we need placed upon the Brothers Grim not more power to them.

[maverick sheep]

 

OF-colt teams would just mean that clubs like us don't get any talented youngsters at all because the dicks will need an extra squad full of em.

 

the fact that the sfa are coming out with proposals timed to accommodate an expected return to the top for rangers, and that rely on the assumption that a rangers team has a god-given right to play at the top (and then get preferential treatment along with their sisters) shows how essential it is that all the great work campaigning for the huns to start at the bottom rather than be shoehorned straight in is not allowed to go to waste.

 

 

we were proved absolutely right in what we called for re newco, so the fans must make sure our voices are heard again.

[dave_min]

The 16 team SPL is a great start.

 

The rest can go and fuck itself though.

 

[BigAl]

we were proved absolutely right in what we called for re newco, so the fans must make sure our voices are heard again.

 

This

 

+1

[Madbadteacher]

OF-colt teams would just mean that clubs like us don't get any talented youngsters at all because the dicks will need an extra squad full of em.

 

the fact that the sfa are coming out with proposals timed to accommodate an expected return to the top for rangers, and that rely on the assumption that a rangers team has a god-given right to play at the top (and then get preferential treatment along with their sisters) shows how essential it is that all the great work campaigning for the huns to start at the bottom rather than be shoehorned straight in is not allowed to go to waste.

 

 

we were proved absolutely right in what we called for re newco, so the fans must make sure our voices are heard again.

EXACTLY +1

[mizer]

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@BBCchrismclaug  Proposal for an SPL2 with two leagues of 12,would see a break into 3 leagues of 8 midway through season. #SPL #Reconstruction #confused?

 

[glasgow sheep]

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Do you think they are just going to publish crazier and crazier ideas so that they can push through what ever bullshit they really have planned and we'll all sigh in relief that it isn't as bad as what they had been suggesting.

[glasgow sheep]

Stewart Regan has backed in principle plans to introduce Celtic and Rangers reserve sides into the Scottish leagues.The Scottish FA chief executive says the proposal from the Scottish Football League as part of wider reconstruction plans “has merits”.

 

Providing a route into the professional leagues for youngsters of the two Glasgow clubs was previously mentioned in the McLeish Report, commissioned two years ago by the governing body.

 

“He [McLeish] felt having Colt teams would provide an opportunity for young players to get first team opportunity,” Regan told STV.

 

“That’s something that has got merits. I think it needs further discussion with clubs to understand the implications.

 

I think "colt" teams is a fucking shite idea, we have an u20 league that will be far better than the 3rd div for young players to develop and if clubs feel players do need a bit of "1st team football" then can go on loan as dozens already do. 

But let's give the blazers a chance and look at the "merits".  Perhaps it would be a good thing for the younger players to stick together as a squad for a season playing in a competitive league system.  So why are the kids of rangers and celtic the only ones allowed to do this?  Apart from anything the likes of afc and hibs have brought through far more youngsters than Rangers (deceased) have for decades.  Why punish the kids at Pittodrie, Easter Road and the Gorgie Tesco?

Same old "old firm" centric bullshit that got us in this mess in the first place.

 

And now we have the SPL putting out their own equally bat shit crazy ideas.

 

Before we do anything lets git rid of these cockwombles, dissolve the SPL and have one governing body for League football, then work out what is best for all of Scottish Football, Aberdeen to Annan, Stranraer to Wick and not just those cunts in Glasgow.

 

 

edit to add detailed SFL Plan:

http://sport.stv.tv/football/200292-in-detail-the-scottish-football-leagues-plans-for-league-reconstruction/

The Scottish Football League will present plans for league reconstruction to its clubs this Wednesday.

 

The proposal, formulated by chief executive David Longmuir after the collapse of a joint working party with the Scottish Premier League, is broken into various components.

 

League structure

 

Three league tiers would be formed, down one from the present four. The top flight would comprise 16 teams, with a 10-team "Championship" and an 18-side third tier.

 

Celtic and Rangers would field reserve sides in the third tier, although they could not be promoted.

 

The top flight would consist only of 30 games, with a new, grouped League Cup structure brought in to provide teams with more games.

 

Promotion, relegation and play-offs

 

In the top flight, two clubs would automatically swap places through promotion and relegation. Teams finishing 13th and 14th in the top tier, and third and fourth in the division below, would then be involved in an end-of-season play-off.

 

There would be a similar system between the second and third tiers, meaning there are only two positions in the second tier, fifth and sixth, which would not lead to end-of-season competition for clubs.

 

Pyramid

 

Clubs currently outside the existing professional league setup would be invited to join a pyramid system. Firm details are not yet available to clubs, but it is understood it would be along the lines of previously proposed Highland and Lowland leagues.

 

Financial distribution

 

A straight line distribution model would be implemented, structured using a stepped structure based upon a club's final league position across the three divisions.

 

The financial difference between finishing bottom of the top flight and top of the second tier would be closed considerably, removing the need for parachute payments.

 

So the 2nd tier would look like this:

 

1] Promoted

2] Promoted

3] play-off

4] play-off

5]

6]

7] play-off

8] play-off

9] Relegated

10] Relegated

[BigAl]

Deluded cunts.......

 

Who the fuck in their right mind would vote for that

[bloo_toon_red]

@BBCchrismclaug  Proposal for an SPL2 with two leagues of 12,would see a break into 3 leagues of 8 midway through season. #SPL #Reconstruction #confused?

 

I don't think that this is that bad an idea.  What we need to see is all the good teams playing each other.  We don't have enough quality in Scotland to sustain a top league with more than 10 teams.

 

The above model means that with the leagues kept really tight, (22 games to split then 14 after) every game would be meaningful.  Nobody will want to be in that drop zone come Christmas.

 

The top 8 would all be battling for European places and it would also be interesting if as an incentive to reach the big 8, they could also take part in some kind of "Euro League" with teams from Scandinavia, Netherlands, Belgium to give teams some European experience.

 

Looking at the next 8, if you look at the SPL & SFL1 tables right now, Ross Co, Hearts, St Mirren & Dundee would be fighting for their lives so not to be joining Partick Thistle, Dunfermline, Morton & Raith Rovers.  And who's to say that those four SFL1 teams wont have the cojones to upset the "SPL" teams and all make it into the big league on merit.

 

Those left at the bottom would likely be left to play for pride or another mini cup competition.

 

I quite like the idea.  It's radical, it's not actually a massive departure from the "top6" scenario we have right now and it gives those in SFL1 a realistic opportunity to get into the top league.  How good would it be for a fan of a team like Partick Thistle or Morton to be going away to play Ajax or Anderlecht in a (admittedly Mickey-Mouse) Euro Cup competition?  And how good would it be for us as fans of AFC to be going to new places every season like Cappielow or Starks Park rather than the same old trudge to St Mirren & Dens?

 

Needs more thought, but this is exactly the kind of radical idea that's needed.

 

EDIT:

I may have missed something - this is all assuming the two leagues of 12 are SPL1 & SPL2, and not infact SPL2a & 2b... Cos that would actually be pretty shit.

[mizer]

ABERDEEN will attempt to block moves to expand the SPL – because they’d prefer to see a 10-team top tier.

The Pittodrie club refused to be drawn on SFL proposals for a 16-team division as they were not consulted before the plans were leaked this week.

Aberdeen released a short statement which said: “We continue to engage with the other SPL clubs to develop the right plan for moving Scottish football forward.

“At this stage we’d prefer not to make any comment on the SFL plans as we have not seen or discussed them.”

The Dons board will study the proposals but it is understood they are firmly against bringing in additional clubs and diluting the funds spread among the teams at the top. Aberdeen have continued to maintain their alliance with Celtic and voted against a change in the 11-1 SPL voting structure.

Both clubs would prefer a return to a 10-team top flight and an end to the split.

Aberdeen chief executive Duncan Fraser, who also sits on the SPL board, will argue against the proposals and also the prospect of altering the set-up to allow Rangers a speedier return to the SPL.

The Dons bowed to fan pressure and voted against allowing Rangers re-entry to the SPL after transferring assets to a new company.

With attendances on the up at Pittodrie they can’t afford to undo the fans’ goodwill.

 

[Nellie The Don]

Aberdeen have continued to maintain their alliance with Celtic and voted against a change in the 11-1 SPL voting structure.

 

Come again?

 

When (and, for the love of fuck, why) did Aberdeen do that?

[maverick sheep]

The fact that they think celtic won't stab them in the back as soon as it becomes convenient is staggering. Maybe the grand plan is to stamp on someone's throat this weekend and create a new old-firm?

 

 

Anyway, the idea that fans will travel to the same grounds twice every year indefinitely is bullshit. we need a 16 teams league with more youngsters getting their chance.

[glasgowdon]

I think we're sticking with the status quo for two reasons:

 

 

1. We fancy ourselves to finish 1st or 2nd and get involved with the "big" prize money.

 

 

2. Changing the voting structure would improve the odds of Hun shoehorning into the top league.

[mizer]

Come again?

 

When (and, for the love of fuck, why) did Aberdeen do that?

 

Totally missed that when i scanned over it this morning!

[glasgow sheep]

I think we're sticking with the status quo for two reasons:

 

 

1. We fancy ourselves to finish 1st or 2nd and get involved with the "big" prize money.

 

 

2. Changing the voting structure would improve the odds of Hun shoehorning into the top league.

 

1. 1st or 2nd this season will get "big" money regardless whether the voting structure is changed or not as they won't change how prize money is distributed for this season, there is no rush

 

2. I think there are concerns about a blanket 8-4 vote (or whatever) and it's more a case of afc looking out for afc than sensationalist journalists saying we are cahoots with the tims

 

There is no great rush for the voting change, the huns won't be back in the league for 3yrs and with any luck the spl will be abolished by then, or at the very least been reorganised.  Voting and financial change will happen and I believe afc want to see this but there is no point through rushing through measures that could back fire or cause problems (ie 8-4 may well mean a 16-18 team league could be passed that afc don't want)

 

 

As for league structure, on reflection two leagues of 12 sounds quite exciting.  Presumably some form of regional leagues below that or perhaps one national league of 18 then regionalised.

Gives teams more meaningful games throughout the 24 and has the potential to boost crowds. Only concern would be a split after just 22 games but there is no other way of doing that

 

edited due to me being an idiot

[mizer]

I can confirm that we are not ‘siding’ with Celtic and are very much for the change of voting structure but the timing has to be right