glasgow sheep Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/football/sfl/2012/04/26/rangers-are-welcome-to-apply-for-division-three-but-will-have-to-join-spartans-cove-rangers-in-the-queue-says-sfl-chief-86908-23837719/ Noticed this earlier. What's changed? cockwomble and regan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jute Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Now would be nice if afc answered my email in a similar manner Motherwell statement however does not say they are against them being parachuted into division 1. Hoping Dons will come out and say they are against it and will do all in their power to oppose it. Not holding my breath though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 From the Berwick Rangers Supporters Trust: http://www.berwickrangers.org/trust-rangers-newco-consultation-results/ Thanks to all Trust members who took part in the vote on the Rangers newco interest in joining the SFL, the results of whcih are as follows: 1) Direct entry into SFL 1 = 2% 2) Direct entry into SFL 3 = 23% 3) Consideration for admittance into SLF 3 if a vacancy exists, in competition with other eligible clubs who may also wish to seek admission, with the successful applicant being selected following a vote by member clubs = 70% 4) Reject Rangers newco admittance into the SFL =5% Option 3 got the most support by a substantial majority. As we reported on Thursday, we carried out the consultation at short notice because at that time the BRFC board had planned to meet on Saturday prior to the home friendly against Hearts U20s. That game was subsequently called off due to the weather and the board has deferred its meeting until Tuesday 10th July. The results of the Trust onsultation will be made known to the FC board, as promised, and will be asking them to take full account of the views expressed by you, our members, when they decide the best position for Berwick Rangers FC going forward. The SFL meeting to decide on Rangers’ status, in light of the SPL’s abdication of all responsibility for that decision, will take place at Hamden on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbadteacher Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 “However, at the moment there is no vacancy in the SFL. Rangers are in administration, which is a situation other clubs have found themselves in and survived. “The same could happen to Rangers. As a Scottish football supporter, I hope they do.” So, Longmuir, you're a fucking hun cunt after all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow sheep Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Good Guys 13 Wanks 3 http://sport.stv.tv/football/108222-rangers-newco-vote-sfl-clubs-outline-their-positions-on-the-issue/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted July 9, 2012 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Has probably been explained somewhere on here but why the hell do Dunfermline get a vote yet Dundee dont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Get this merged, eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Tradesman Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I still can't fathom why any club would want them in their league? If it's purely for having their gate reciepts for one season then surely placing them in the 3rd would see EVERY team benefit as they make their way back up through the leagues (which they will). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Haven't Dundee along with Airdrie said they'll abstain due to conflict of interest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatjim Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I still can't fathom why any club would want them in their league? If it's purely for having their gate reciepts for one season then surely placing them in the 3rd would see EVERY team benefit as they make their way back up through the leagues (which they will). Technically not. As the teams to be relegated from Div 2 the season the are promoted from div 3 will not be in the same league. same would happen the next season if they were promoted (div1 - div 2) and then again the following season.(spl -div1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Good Guys 13 Wanks 3 http://sport.stv.tv/football/108222-rangers-newco-vote-sfl-clubs-outline-their-positions-on-the-issue/ I'm confused (it doesn't take much). 13 clubs have seemingly declared that they want to vote for newco to be in Division 3, but there is no such option at Friday's vote? They are being asked to vote them into Division 3 but giving the SFL board the option to put them into Division 1 in the same question? So I don't quite understand what may or may not happen. Would they just vote a complete "no" to this question and hence bar them from the SFL completely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/morton-chairman-launches-scathing-attack-on-scottish-footballs-top-brass.18111915 DOUGLAS RAE, the Morton chairman, has sent a strongly worded letter to the chairmen of each Scottish Football League club criticising what Stewart Regan, the Scottish Football Association chief executive, and his counterpart at the Scottish Premier League, Neil Doncaster, said at last week's SFL meeting. Representatives from the 30 lower-league clubs came together at Hampden last Tuesday and were addressed by Regan and Doncaster regarding the implications of voting Rangers newco into the Irn-Bru First or Third Divisions. In his letter yesterday, Rae lambasted the contribution made by Doncaster, in particular, saying he "seemed to many to be a man who had lost his way and [is] unable to get back on the right road". Doncaster had outlined that SFL clubs would put at risk six top-flight clubs unless they voted to install Rangers in the first division. They are scheduled to meet to decide the issue at a special general meeting on Friday. The Morton chairman reiterated the assertion made by third-division club Clyde that Regan had lied about the SFA's stance on a proposal to install Rangers in the SPL, a motion defeated last week by 10-1 in a vote by top-flight clubs. He also alighted upon a common theme in lamenting the existence of three governing bodies in Scottish football, expressing a wish that the authorities be merged. "Scottish Football League clubs are being placed in an intolerable position by the SFA and the overwhelming decision by the SPL to refuse to admit newco Rangers into the Premier League," wrote Rae, whose club will be represented on Friday by chief executive Gillian Donaldson, as Rae remains on holiday. "I was very disappointed indeed with the input of the two visiting officials at the SFL meeting, which lasted some five hours. The visitors were Stuart [sic] Regan, chief executive of the SFA and Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the SPL. "Neil Doncaster was a man who didn't appreciate that the current problem relative to newco Rangers, and which league they should be playing in next season, is exclusively the problem of the SPL and little do to with the SFL. "Neil was totally unable to get his clubs to accept the decision going forward that he wanted. Following that mammoth failure, Neil now expects the SFL clubs to bail him out, which would mean SFL clubs ignoring the views of their supporters. Never have I known supporters to be more single-minded than how they feel over this newco Rangers drama. Quite frankly, Neil Doncaster seemed to many to be a man who had lost his way and [is] unable to get back on the right road. "The SPL CEO made scant contribution other than trying to impress clubs that if we did not vote newco Rangers into the SFL Division One, financial disaster of epic proportions would be the experience many clubs would suffer. His forecast was that up to six SPL clubs could go 'bust' if the SFL clubs did not follow his advice to back newco Rangers." Rae was only marginally more impressed with the presentation of Regan, who last week delivered a withering forecast of the state of Scottish football should Rangers newco not be allowed to enter the first division. Last week Clyde revealed that Regan had intended to block Rangers' entry to the SPL should clubs have opened the door to them, although it stated that his comment had been delivered in such a way that it came across as "less than an absolute statement". However, Rae indicates he pressed Regan on his comment, and he reiterated that the governing body would have blocked Rangers' path into the top flight. He also explained that such a decision was kept from the clubs for "greater effect". The letter continued: "The most concerning point about Regan's presentation was he departed truth as he became increasingly desperate to get his viewpoints accepted. When asked what would have happened if SPL clubs had voted newco Rangers entry to the Premier League, he stated that the SFA would block it. I asked why that point had not been made known to the clubs prior to the meeting. Stuart stated that sometimes points are withheld until the last moment for greater effect. I asked, through the chair, if I could ask Regan to repeat what he had said about 'blocking'. He responded by repeating what he had said minutes before; namely that the SFA would block any result that would see newco Rangers entering the SPL. "The following day Stuart countermanded in the press what he had told the SFL meeting the previous day. "It is very disappointing the SFA chief executive was unable to give a truthful response to SFL chairmen." Rae then revealed his desire for Scottish football to be governed by a single body, headed by current SFL chief executive David Longmuir. "Scottish football is in crisis and needs a man of honesty, vision and strength at the helm - David Longmuir. David addressed the meeting last week and gave a clear picture of how he saw the way ahead for our clubs - and was the only one of these three speakers who spoke with clarity and which he managed to do without misleading the chairmen. "I am sure I am not the only chairman who considers it absurd to have three organisations looking after Scottish football. There should be one organisation looking after all aspects of our game." The SPL and SFA chose not to comment on Rae's letter. Some good stuff in here, but interesting that Longmuir gets his unequivocal backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow sheep Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I'm confused (it doesn't take much). 13 clubs have seemingly declared that they want to vote for newco to be in Division 3, but there is no such option at Friday's vote? They are being asked to vote them into Division 3 but giving the SFL board the option to put them into Division 1 in the same question? So I don't quite understand what may or may not happen. Would they just vote a complete "no" to this question and hence bar them from the SFL completely? Who knows? The proposals are worded in such a way that the make an already opaque situation as clear as mud. Interestingly this site suggests the "good guy, wank" situation is more "good guy, might be a good guy, might be a wank, wank" http://honestyinsport.weebly.com/index.html Yes - 1 Probable Yes - 1 Unknown - 11 Probable No - 6 No - 9 Abstaining - 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyBiscuit Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I think they'll end up in either Division 1 or the SPL. Somebody is keeping the SPL door open, otherwise why haven't Dundee or Dunfermline been offered the Club 12 space!? It's worth remembering that the huns are still technically in administration as that process has not been completed yet. The administration period must continue while its being investigated; so, if it is still ongoing when the SPL starts, are they expected to take part? Or will common sense come into it for once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_widdows Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Haven't Dundee along with Airdrie said they'll abstain due to conflict of interest? It says Airdrie will be abstaining but then says Dundee are not permitted to vote Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Grant Russell ?@STVGrant Answer from FIFA on possible contravention of Statutes by the SFA. In short, they won’t comment but hint A9.2 (Pro/Rel) allows Div 1 entry. Specifically A9.2: “in addition to qual on sport merit, club in league… may be subject to other criteria… financial considerations” FIFA: “Domestic issue which falls under remit of SFA & should be dealt with in accor. with laws & regulations applicable on national level” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow sheep Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Since when have FIFA been the moral guardians of anything? It's up to the SFL clubs to sort this out and make the correct decisions, without pressure from cunts from the SPL and SFA. As Regan said previously, the rules should be applied without "fear or favour" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie The Don Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Grant Russell ?@STVGrant Answer from FIFA on possible contravention of Statutes by the SFA. In short, they won’t comment but hint A9.2 (Pro/Rel) allows Div 1 entry. Specifically A9.2: “in addition to qual on sport merit, club in league… may be subject to other criteria… financial considerations” FIFA: “Domestic issue which falls under remit of SFA & should be dealt with in accor. with laws & regulations applicable on national level” In other words, "There is no way for us to get a kickback from this, so we don't give a shit." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow sheep Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Don't think anyone has posted this yet http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/4420369/In-your-dreams-team.html RANGERS legend Paul Gascoigne yesterday insisted there’s “never been a better time” to play for the Ibrox side as he made a bizarre pledge to join the skint club next season. :lolabove: :lolabove: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrant Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Is he aware that he's a raging alcoholic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Is he aware that he's a raging alcoholic? Doubt he is even aware that he is Paul Gascoigne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Is he aware that he's a raging alcoholic? Not that I care about the cunt, but it's pretty shocking that the Sun are taking advantage of the state he's in these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie The Don Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Not that I care about the cunt, but it's pretty shocking that the Sun are taking advantage of the state he's in these days. It would be shoking for human beings to take advantage like that, but for Sun reporters it actually shows quite a lot of level-headed restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glasgow sheep Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Not sure who Kelty are playing pre-season, never heard of them: http://keltyhearts.co.uk/#/stefan-winiarski-testimonial/4566413650 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted July 10, 2012 Share Posted July 10, 2012 Latest Tomo blog has his responses from SFA, UEFA and FIFA: http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/questions-answered-footballs-governing-bodies/2235 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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