dickofthedons Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Rangers won't be in tomorrows fixture list, instead "club 12" will appear http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476930 Am I right in thinking the Dundee teams as well as the ugly sisters cannot have home games on the same day?? Presume it may just be a case of switching some games from Saturdays to Sundays but may be awkward to arrange a list if you dunno if its Dundee or the huns and there is possible restrictions on both when and where they can play Quote
manc_don Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Rangers won't be in tomorrows fixture list, instead "club 12" will appear http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18476930 Am I right in thinking the Dundee teams as well as the ugly sisters cannot have home games on the same day?? Presume it may just be a case of switching some games from Saturdays to Sundays but may be awkward to arrange a list if you dunno if its Dundee or the huns and there is possible restrictions on both when and where they can play the papers seem to mention dunfermline would also be in line for reinstatement back into the spl. Its a complete joke that this hasn't be rectified by now, how are Dundee or dunfermline supposed to budget for next season? Quote
maverick sheep Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 the papers seem to mention dunfermline would also be in line for reinstatement back into the spl. Its a complete joke that this hasn't be rectified by now, how are day Dundee or dunfermline supposed to budget for next season? Aside from budget, how are they meant to build a squad if they don't know what competition they're building it for, and how can they sign a player when they can't tell them what division they're being signed to play in. Disgraceful, and shows that they have worked on the assumption all along that newco will be in SPL. Quote
tom_widdows Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Just to Clarify That isn't photo-shopped Quote
manc_don Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 I thought it was a convenient angle for the shot. Quote
Mentorred Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Go on Stewart Milne you know it makes sense. Quote
Kowalski Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-liquidation-sfa-league-merger-could-drop-rangers-just-one-division-1-2359952 The crisis at Rangers is set to bring about a radical change in the structure of Scottish football, which could pave the way for the Ibrox club to be demoted just one division. The Scottish Football Association is ready to merge the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League into a single league body in time for the start of the new season. Under the new league set-up, the top and second tiers of that league would stay the same size as the current SPL and First Division – 12 and ten respectively – and be rebranded “premier”, effectively meaning that the present First Division would become an SPL 2. A whole raft of changes as recommended in the 2010 report by former First Minister Henry McLeish will also be introduced, including promotion and relegation play-offs for all divisions, a pyramid system for entry into the league, lower divisions consisting of community-based part-time clubs, different cash distribution within the new league, and a compulsory winter break. “The time for action is now,” said an SFA source, who did not deny that the association was taking advantage of the Rangers debacle to promote its longed-for reforms. The source said: “When one of the biggest clubs in the country is liquidated, something has to change.” The future of Rangers, now a “newco” owned by Charles Green and his Sevco consortium, is key to the SFA-led changes, with one source suggesting Dundee will step up to the new top league, while Rangers would be relegated only to the new SPL2 and not the lowest division – preserving the lucrative Sky television deal that is vital to clubs’ income. That will be hugely controversial as the game in Scotland is split over whether a newco Rangers should be forced to start again in the bottom tier or be allowed into the SPL. The compromise of allowing them to drop one division will not please everyone. “How would that serve sporting integrity, you have to ask?” one SPL chairman told Scotland on Sunday. “You can’t be half pregnant. You surely either accept that the new Rangers can be an SPL club or accept they must start again in the senior game.” The SFA has confirmed that discussions about the future of professional football in Scotland have been ongoing for many months between members of the association’s professional game board and the SPL and SFL. Those talks accelerated in the past few days as Rangers went into liquidation. What a pile of shite. Quote
tom_widdows Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Whos put that up? Green et al? Been up for ages I first clocked it when i ran past on the day of the Killie administration game Quote
dave_min Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-liquidation-sfa-league-merger-could-drop-rangers-just-one-division-1-2359952 What a pile of shite. Agreed. Merging the SPL & SFL is a good thing, but not merging the SFA into that too is a mistake. Quote
scunnered999 Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/9337279/Rangers-would-have-to-start-in-Scottish-League-Division-Three-says-SFL-chief-executive-David-Longmuir.html# Sorry if this has been posted already Quote
Jute Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Agreed. Merging the SPL & SFL is a good thing, but not merging the SFA into that too is a mistake. Agreed all the governing bodies should be merged including SJFA as well. No way a country the size of Scotland needs 4 different organisations running football. Quote
dave_min Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Agreed all the governing bodies should be merged including SJFA as well. No way a country the size of Scotland needs 4 different organisations running football. Correct. Quote
BobbyBiscuit Posted June 17, 2012 Report Posted June 17, 2012 Aside from budget, how are they meant to build a squad if they don't know what competition they're building it for, and how can they sign a player when they can't tell them what division they're being signed to play in. Or in other terms... budget? Quote
Tyrant Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 I thought Green just bought the assets? Quote
maverick sheep Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Or in other terms... budget? well aye...but even if they did know a definite figure they will be able to pay in wages, players who would sign for spl won't sign for div 1. so i worded it kak-handedly but budget is only a part of the planning. pedantry partial fail Quote
maverick sheep Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18494114 gimpy eyes seems to be a requirement for hun execs Quote
mizer Posted June 18, 2012 Author Report Posted June 18, 2012 Published on Monday 18 June 2012 15:46 The Scottish Premier League issued the following statement today after a meeting to discuss the situation at Rangers. At its meeting earlier today, the SPL Board considered a number of issues relating to Rangers FC. EBT Investigation The SPL Board heard a report from its solicitors following the investigation into payments to, or for the benefit of, players allegedly made by Rangers FC outside of contract. The delay in concluding the investigation was caused by an initial lack of co-operation from Rangers FC. The investigation has now been completed and, in the view of the SPL, there is a prima facie case to answer in respect of its rules. Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13. General Meeting An application for registration of transfer of Rangers’ SPL share has been received. Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification. A general meeting of all 12 member clubs has been convened for 10am on Wednesday 4 July 2012 for members to decide whether to approve the transfer. Quote
CtS Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Ffs sake, at least another fortnight of this pish. Quote
Mentorred Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 4th of July hopefully the day Rangers get independence from the SPL. Quote
Kowalski Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Scotland on Sunday rundown on where each club's preferences might lie for the upcoming vote: ABERDEEN The Dons have been bounced into the voting-against-accepting-a-newco-Rangers-into-the-SPL camp by a support implacably opposed to them taking this course. After a poll by the club’s Trust revealed 97 per cent were against the move, Pittodrie chief executive Duncan Fraser maintained their “views and feelings” would be “taken into account” and that the “integrity of football...must be central to any decision.” One of three clubs now considered to hold a settled position. CELTIC The Scottish champions have no option but to register a “no” vote. They must serve natural justice as their support demands of them as to do otherwise would precipitate a collapse of their season ticket numbers. Yet, if they were to help bring about a hiatus in the top flight rivalry with their ancient adversaries, it would force them to take a thumping financial hit running to millions more than any other club as the other cost of that would be the loss of the veto afforded by them twinning with Rangers to sustain the 11-1 voting structure. DUNDEE UNITED The tone of chairman Stephen Thompson’s language has noticeably changed in recent days. Last week, he made much of having to recognise, above all, the feelings of his fanbase, which is hostile to re-admission of the reconstituted Ibrox club. Talk of a complete Sky withdrawal has resulted in him now giving voice to a need to recognise the importance of television money. Without it, he said, “some clubs would face insolvency”, adding: “The smaller the club the greater the need for TV money, so it’s important for us.” Important enough for Thompson, with heavy heart, perhaps to try to sell his support the club’s endorsement of SPL status, but with stiff sanctions attached, for Rangers 2012. HEART OF MIDLOTHIAN A club that toiled to pay its players’ wages on time last season is hardly likely to be wowed at the prospect of any reduction in its revenues. Especially when they are still seeking £800,000 from Rangers for the Lee Wallace transfer. However, it would go against everything that Vladimir Romanov has previously preached if he were to vote in one of the Glasgow “mafia” after they have been shown to have used tax dodges to sustain their dominance, and that could hold the key in the final analysis for the Tynecastle club. HIBERNIAN Chairman Rod Petrie’s “sporting integrity cannot be obtained for any price” remains the soundbite that absolutely nails the Leith club to a position of not accepting a newco Rangers. In most projections, a prudently run Hibs would not be one of the major losers if forced to redraw budgets to compensate for the fiscal reductions inherent in losing the Ibrox club, while the unstinting backing of Tom Farmer would allow them to cover any shortfall in the immediate term anyway. INVERNESS Chairman Kenny Cameron took umbrage to suggestions earlier in the week that they had made up their minds to back a newco application from Rangers because they could not afford the drastic drop-off in revenues predicted by some if that were not approved. “Any speculation is purely that and we find it strange that some seem to know how ICTFC would vote under certain circumstances – they must have a crystal ball,” he said. Must be considered one of the clubs whose vote remains up for grabs. KILMARNOCK Chairman Michael Johnston is a man alone among his SPL cohorts in making it plain that there must be a Rangers in the Scottish top flight and that commercial considerations must trump sporting integrity. He has further stated that the new Rangers must not start next season with any points or financial penalties – these believed to be a possible trade-off for entry for some clubs – in having already been punished enough. MOTHERWELL The Fir Park club are understood to be seeking assurances over the broadcasting rights before arriving at any decision on a new Rangers. Their fan ownership model makes them more beholden to the mood of their masses, which has appeared insurrectionist if they do not say “no to a newco”. Another club whose position may be considered to be in a state of flux. ROSS COUNTRY The newly promoted Highland side will increase revenues next season whether or not they have Rangers to play in their first tilt in the top flight. Chairman Roy MacGregor said he has taken a “calculated risk” on his budget that is not dependent on income that could be attached to the presence of an Ibrox club in the top flight. MacGregor’s largesse is what County count on. The fact he has said as the “new kid” he will listen to others could make for the likelihood that he serves sporting intergity if it is the case for doing so that is made most passionately by his peers. ST JOHNSTONE The one Scottish top-flight club with cash in the bank, they could survive any downturn in the economic viability. As chairman Steven Brown has been quick to point out, the Perth side don’t need a Rangers because they spent many seasons in the First Division balancing their books without them. Yet with Brown also describing the potential loss of the Ibrox club top the top flight as a “disaster” it is thought he is one of those who is likely to be swayed were swingeing tarriffs attached to SPL entry for a newco. ST MIRREN His fuliminating “the law is an ass” response to Rangers’ challenge in the Court of Session to the sanctions imposed on them by the SFA judicial panel made the Paisley club’s chairman Stewart Gilmour the most outspoken critic of what he saw as the Ibrox club’s reckless disregard of football’s jurisdiction. That is believed to have hardened his attitude towards a newco Rangers. And even though he is in the process of selling the club on to a local fan body, with the vote set to come before the £1.5m buy-out earmarked for 4 July, it is thought a “no” vote would not go against the thinking of the club’s hardcore and future owners. Quote
tlg1903 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 They are probably going to get in 8/4 aren't they Quote
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