Dirthy Filthy Hun Scumbag Vermin (deceased), liquidated & Green abondons ship

[tlg1903]

Dinna worry min, FIFA & UEFA will make the SFA expel them and it'll be bye bye huns forever... and ever and ever... and e v e r!!! 

 

FIFA is hardly a shining beacon of anti-corruption itself

[dave_min]

FIFA is hardly a shining beacon of anti-corruption itself

 

Lucky that they've nae cash to bribe them then! 

[glasgow sheep]

Is this going to open up a whole other can of worms?

I'm yet to hear any hun suggest what punishment they would deem fair, what do they expect, next years Sky money and a 10pt head start nexr year?. 

The SFA presumably now have an option of a bigger fine (what is the point), suspension of their licence (which they don't have anyway) or expulsion. 

I'm not sure you can blame the sfa, it was an independent panel including a high court judge that adjudicated on this.  The only mistake was perhaps not stipulating that any further appeal must go via the Court of Arbitration in Sport (as uefa apparently stipulate) thus allowing the huns to run off to the Court of Session.

 

So what next?

• D&P have another deadline to miss.
  
• CVA presumably turned down as it consists of two twix wrappers and a broxi bear costume.
  
• SPL finally to agree there is a prima facie case to answer re double contracts and go for the delaying option of a full independent investigation.
  
• UEFA, FIFA, IOC, FIA, PGA, WWE, WWF and RSPB all have their tuppenceworth to add
  
• SPL announce fixtures with rangers/a.n.other listed
  
• Scottish media tells us the world is going to end
  
• Nobody buys season tickets
  
• Billy Dodds writes a column retracting all the stuff he said that suggested rangers were cheating as we all thought all along

 

Have I missed anything?

 

Edit: apparently options available to the SFA are now:

The sanctions available are set out in SFA rules as: fine, suspension, expulsion from Scottish Cup & termination of membership.

Also, they of course can't buy anyone anyway as their are still in Admin and will be till mid July even if the Green cva comes through

[glasgow sheep]

Sorry just catching up with things so may have a couple more posts.

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FIFA said just before verdict passed that Scottish FA will be told to take action so club "withdraws its request from the ordinary courts"

 

FIFA Rules apparently state that clubs can't take their associations through the law courts which rangers have done.

Regardless we had 2 senior judges, one on the original panel and another on the appeal panel, judging that a registration embargo was allowed.  Now one other judge disagrees.  Not sure how this is anyones fault despite lots of abuse being hurled at the sfa.

In any case  this doesn't solve either the lack of cash for a cva or the existence of the btc, ebts and double contracts.  This is almost incidental in the scheme of things.....isn't it?

[glasgow sheep]

oh you missed one, fixed it for you

 

 

"The sanctions available are set out in SFA rules as: fine, suspension, expulsion from Scottish Cup & termination of membership."

 

Should read...

 

"The sanctions available are set out in SFA rules as: fine, suspension, expulsion from Scottish Cup & termination of membership, but as this is the WATP Rangers we will bury our head in the sand and point at no legs and blame him"

 

But then we all said that prior to the original hearing and then the appeal and rangers got slapped down with the embargo on each occasion.

The judge today agreed that rangers were guilty but just felt that a signing embargo wasn't a punishment available to the Independent panel.

I don't think it would be possible for the huns to be suspended or kicked out as the two sfa panels stated this was too severe, a ban from the cup for a year or two seems the most likely scenario but as the case is to go back to the same SFA Appeal panel that turned down the huns initial appeal could they disagree with the CoS and enforce the embargo anyway?

[maverick sheep]

But then we all said that prior to the original hearing and then the appeal and rangers got slapped down with the embargo on each occasion.

The judge today agreed that rangers were guilty but just felt that a signing embargo wasn't a punishment available to the Independent panel.

I don't think it would be possible for the huns to be suspended or kicked out as the two sfa panels stated this was too severe, a ban from the cup for a year or two seems the most likely scenario but as the case is to go back to the same SFA Appeal panel that turned down the huns initial appeal could they disagree with the CoS and enforce the embargo anyway?

 

however long this new decision takes, i strongly suspect we'll soon conveniently find ourselves at the point we were a couple of weeks ago. Slap on the wrists reinstated, and assuming any money ever emerges, 20p in the £1 agreed and on we go with the Scottish football circus.

 

If the BBC do have 'nuclear' new information, for maximum impact they'll probably have to come out with at somepoint in the next couple weeks.

[Jute]

Suggestions now that cva offer is 8p to 9p in the £.

[scunnered999]

Suggestions now that cva offer is 8p to 9p in the £.

 

at best!

[glasgow sheep]

So now being suggested the sfa do stipulate that any further appeal should be via CAS:

 

Jamie Borthwick ?@jamiekborthwick Article 113.3.6 of the SFA Articles of Association seems to say that the only way a club can appeal an appeal hearing...is through CAS.

 

 

 

Jamie Borthwick ?@jamiekborthwick SFA 133.3.6: "The decision of the Appeals Board shall be final and binding on all parties concerned... (1/2)

 

 

 

 

Jamie Borthwick ?@jamiekborthwick "...subject to the arbitration procedure which may be available to the appellant to the Court of Arbitration for Sport." (2.2)

 

Maverick to an extent I agree. This story isn't going to move anywhere fast. 

The signing ban was to a degree a "slap of the wrists" and the sfa will come up with a variation of this.

The real issues are still a cva and the the btc/ebt/double contract nonsense.  This judgement doesn't make more money available for a cva (although probably does make more money available for Green to run off with).  It also certainly doesn't effect the btc/ebt/double contracts.  The SPL are desperate to chase this into the long grass and a newco would have allowed them to quietly forget about it, but I can't see how they can't hold a fully enquiry into this.  At the moment my understanding is they are just having a look (if rangers ever give them the paper work) to see if there is a potential case to answer and enough to warrant a full Independent Enquiry.  I would think from what is in the public domain already that has to happen.  Expect a decision sometime in 2014

[Ptayles]

Quicker someone turns up at the front door of Ibrox with a bulldozer. The better. Get them to fuck

[glasgow sheep]

So more pressure on the sfa?

The most likely option of a Scottish Cup ban could see the sfa taking the blame for scuppering the cva as apparently the cva is dependent on Rangers "participation in ALL competitions at the level they currently hold"

[Madbadteacher]

Shoite, shoite and more fucking shoite.

 

Who's running the OFPL, the OFFA and the OFL? 

 

Appeal, after appeal after appeal after appeal....................after APOEL dump the timmy's oot of Europe will they appeal ("weakend by the whole rangers thing byraway soitis")

[Kowalski]

Taken from http://thefootballlife.tumblr.com/post/24011548849/day-zero regarding the "nuclear" news story:

 

Firstly, the start of the trickle of the so called “Nuclear” material into the atmosphere. Like from Chernobyl, the material is there but it’s taking time to blow over in our general direction. The snippet, as provided by the reputable “barcabhoy” on the RTC blog was that, in spite of all the speculation that has gone on these past couple of days, the information he has is simply regarding the payment to Graeme Souness. He claims that Souness was actually paid a sum far in excess of the £30,000 mentioned in Mark Daly’s documentary. While there is no more detail on that, we do know that, in his time at Newcastle/Blackburn, Souness bought Lorenzo Amoruso, Jean Alain Boumsong, Barry Ferguson and Tugay, with players going the other way. The £30k is from the Tugay deal only (the first to have gone through). This seems to suggest that the payments to Souness were not via EBTs and through some other method of payment we are hitherto unaware of. But if £30k is Souness’ payment for a fee of £1.3m, his other dealings totalled over £15.5m. If the alleged payments were directly proportional to the fee paid, we are talking about a sum well in excess of £350k. Even if not, Souness clearly has some questions to answer regarding exactly what, if anything, he received from Rangers. Yes, it may kill his punditry career, but no more so than denial and the facts coming out anyway.

 

Bungs?

[glasgow sheep]

Seems unlikely but how about this, taken from RTC:

 

I may be being simplistic but wouldn’t a fairly simple route out of this mess for the SFA be for:

 

1. The Review Panel, on reconsidering their original sanction, expel Rangers but suspend it for say 5 years. I’m assuming that this revised sanction is not ultra vires (my phrase of the week) and that it fits with the original panel’s comments that the maximum fine was insuffiecient penalty but straightforward expulsion would be excessive.

2. The SFA charge Rangers with bringing the game into disrepute for taking their appeal through the civil courts.

3. Rangers are found guilty and are expelled by the SFA.

4. In event of Rangers not being found guilty on this one, they are subsequently found guilty of any one or more of the multitude of charges that are sure to follow in relation to EBTs, dual contracts, etc, etc. and are expelled.

[maverick sheep]

Scottish football 'faces international ban' over Rangers SFA court challenge

 

Scottish football could face an international ban after Rangers challenged the SFA's transfer sanctions in the courts, it has been warned.

 

A judge overturned Rangers' one year transfer ban and a £100,000 fine for bringing the game into disrepute.

 

The SFA is considering its response which could mean alternative sanctions.

 

But sports lawyer Dr Gregory Ioannidis said if further punishment is not imposed for the court challenge Fifa could ban all Scottish clubs.

 

The articles of world governing body Fifa and Uefa state that assosiation decisions cannot be challenged in an ordinary court.

 

Prior to the Court of Session decision on Tuesday, Fifa said it wanted Rangers' request withdrawn from the ordinary courts.

 

Thought the fine wasn't overturned as they were only dealing with appeal over embargo?

[capitalsharpie]

I want this club fucking dead. I hope UEFA comes in and FUCKS THEM UP. In the process knocking heads together at the SFA for being a spineless bunch of bias CUNTS.

[BobbyBiscuit]

SPL meeting this morning.  St Mirren chairman Gilmour states that "some votes were taken" and also "Huns have set a dangerous precendent in taking the appeal to the COS. Sport should stay within sport".

 

From RTC:

 

I expect Rangers (IA) to be suspended from membership of the SFA until further notice – no specific time limit put on the suspension. This approach puts the ball firmly back in Rangers court – they can save themselves, but only if they step back into line and recognise, amongst other things, the authority of the SFA Disciplinary panel / appeals process. I expect that a list of criteria will be drawn up which will allow Rangers to exit this suspension at any time – but they will have to want to. The SFA will be seen as being hard in FIFAs eyes, yet leaving the door open for the tax evaders to decide if they want to be a football club or not – their decision.

And on the SPL front – I don’t think suspension, from a rules perspective, may prevent them from appearing in the SPL – but the SFA are contracted to provide referees for association-affiliated matches. They will not be able to do this for a suspended club – hence tacitly, if Rangers do not agree to terms to exit the suspension (before the new season), they will not be able to participate in matches in Scotland. Again, it will be their choice.

Regardless of what shape, form or division they are in.

 

I think this is actually a very viable scenario.  A mere suspension shows how serious the SFA are about this, but doesn't drive home the killer blow to the huns. Leaves the onus on them.

[BobbyBiscuit]

Alasdair Lamont[!]8207;@BBCAlLamont

 

SPL clubs approve new fair play rules. Decision on newco to be taken by all clubs. No fixed pens for newco

 

 

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New rules over paying players and taxman on time introduced

 

 

 

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Penalty of greater of ten point/one third of previous season's total for going into admin is passed

[Kowalski]

Christ, somebody with links to the SFA finally speaking some sense:

 

Rangers "got away lightly" with recent sanctions for bringing the game into disrepute, according to the former Scottish FA president John McBeth.

 

The Ibrox club had a 12-month transfer embargo imposed by the SFA overturned by the Court of Session on Tuesday.

 

Speaking to BBC Scotland, John MacBeth said: ''Rangers got away lightly with their transfer embargo.''

 

And MacBeth said the SFA could impose stricter punishment on the club.

 

''The SFA should go away and look at their books to determine what their next step should be," he continued. "They could throw them out of the league.''

 

McBeth, who was a vocal critic of FIFA president Sepp Blatter while in office, also claimed that SPL clubs could survive in a league without Rangers.

 

''Football would survive without Rangers, maybe not at the same level, and the game would may be lose some fans - but so be it,'' he said.

 

"If you look after the sport the money will follow you, if you look after the money you'll kill the sport.''

[glasgow sheep]

So the fair play proposals were voted through?

TBH seems fair enough as couldn't really argue with most of them, and if rangers are still in admin presumably they will be hit with a substantial points penalty.

But no decision on any punishments, or otherwise, for a newco. To be decided on a case by case basis by the whole spl.

Was always unlikely they would come out and say a categorical no to newco but at least they haven't said a newco will come in the regardless with virtually no penalty as they seemed to be suggesting before.

EDIT: apparently there will now be a 8-4 vote on any newco entry.  Can we count on 5 clubs opposing a Hun Newco?

 

Ball is really in the SFAs court just now anyway

[Mentorred]

Punishments for a newco to be decided on a case by case basis by the whole spl.

Just opening up another can of worms. Rangers get voted in and in a few years say Ross County or Motherwell for example go bust and come back as a newco and are told sorry we dont need you so your not getting in law suits could follow.

True what they say 1 rule for them and another for everyone else.

[glasgow sheep]

Punishments for a newco to be decided on a case by case basis by the whole spl.

Just opening up another can of worms. Rangers get voted in and in a few years say Ross County or Motherwell for example go bust and come back as a newco and are told sorry we dont need you so your not getting in law suits could follow.

True what they say 1 rule for them and another for everyone else.

 

In the SPL's defence they didn't have an option of a vote on excluding all newcos today as the cockwomble Doncaster didn't have them in his fair play proposals.  The SPL did however vote down his bullshit 10pts and 75% prize money penalty for a Newco which I would take as a good sign.  Any newco will now need 8 clubs to vote it through and with SPL chairmen getting more pissed off with the hubs by the day perhaps they will struggle to get sufficient support.  Regardless it is an improvement on the previous plan of allowing Cockwomble and the SPL board to make the decision by themselves.

[tlg1903]

How come it only takes 8 votes? What happened to 11/1 majority?

[bloo_toon_red]

So what next?

• 
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  • CVA presumably turned down as it consists of two twix wrappers and a broxi bear costume.

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I have to admit, even despite it being a paltry 9p in the pound "best-case", the creditors would be mental to turn it down, because with the big tax case around the corner, figures for which are not included within the creditors list, it is highly likely that RFC will have more crippling debt to come, with a very strong likelihood that they come out of admin in July/August, and be back in again this time next year.

 

How much is the reported figure that they owe for the big tax case?  Wasn't the total debt reported to be £130m, with something like £75m wrapped up in the taxes owed (and therefore the creditors list amounts to £55m)? No person of sane mind would take on RFC in their current state, where will the unearth £75m from?  Where will they even unearth £15m if HMRC accept 20p in the £?

 

As I've said countless times, and I'm not even speaking through red-tinted specs here (well, not much), this is typical Scottish football traditionalism for traditionalism's sake.  If Rangers FC were a retail business, like Woolworths for example, nobody would've come near them.  Guys like Paul Murray, Brian Kennedy, Bill Ng, Bill Miller, Charles Green, they are all only in it for the halo effect.  You only need to look at the sycophantically enshrined bunch of bams that were the Blue Knights who wanted to appear to be riding in to save the day.  This is the business of where there's a will there's a way and all that.  But that will is stretched to the limit by emotion and egotism.  Rangers FC need to be left to die and deal with the consequences.  Even if they survive this admin and the big tax case, they should not be in a position to win an SPL title for up to a decade.  It is a pointless exercise to put the club through so many years of pain just to keep a hold of their past glories, which is the only thing worth salvaging for them.

 

Was it Gerry McNee that historically described Celtic and Rangers as two old slappers dropping their drawers doon Sauchiehall Street?  Never a truer word.  Rangers is a whore, a dirty, filthy, disease-ridden old hag with too much to say and too many tricks up her sleeve not to survive.

[CtS]

described Celtic and Rangers as two old slappers dropping their drawers doon Sauchiehall Street

 

Keith Wyness said that I think.

 

a whore, a dirty, filthy, disease-ridden old hag

 

Please don't drag my wife into this.