Wikileaks/Julian Assange

[manc_don]

Did I hear correctly there was a suicide bombing in Stockholm yesterday?

[Sharpie]

I think there was a lot of stuff 'leaked' that may aid the US diplomatically. Things like the Chinese secretly finding North Korea a pain in the ass and the Saudi's wanting to obliterate Iran are exactly the sort of thing the Yanks would want out in the public.

[maverick sheep]

The death of wikileaks - http://cryptome.org/0003/wikileaks-rip.htm

 

also...

 

[maverick sheep]

Assange gets a $1.5m book deal because "I need to defend myself".

 

In other news, Wikileaks gives Bradley Manning $15,000.

 

Shame such a great thing is being ruined by one man's ego.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

Assange gets a $1.5m book deal because "I need to defend myself".

 

In other news, Wikileaks gives Bradley Manning $15,000.

 

Shame such a great thing is being ruined by one man's ego.

 

Poor show indeed.

[mizer]

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that investigators have been unable to make any direct connection between a jailed army private suspected with leaking secret documents and Julian Assange, founder of the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks.

 

The officials say that while investigators have determined that Manning had allegedly unlawfully downloaded tens of thousands of documents onto his own computer and passed them to an unauthorized person, there is apparently no evidence he passed the files directly to Assange, or had any direct contact with the controversial WikiLeaks figure.

 

 

[Kowalski]

Why do people find it difficult to believe that, despite what good Wikileaks has done, that Assange, just might, might, not be a very nice person?

 

He should be punted to Sweden to face the music, and not use conspiracy theories about the States to shield some reasonably serious charges he faces in Sweden IMHO my honest opinion.

 

As for George Galloway?  Jesus wept, what a professional gob shite.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

Why do people find it difficult to believe that, despite what good Wikileaks has done, that Assange, just might, might, not be a very nice person?

 

He should be punted to Sweden to face the music, and not use conspiracy theories about the States to shield some reasonably serious charges he faces in Sweden IMHO my honest opinion.

 

As for George Galloway?  Jesus wept, what a professional gob shite.

 

This.

 

 

[manc_don]

Because its not in-line with the champagne socialist mantra of taking the anti state side. I think it's quite clear that he has something to hide. Right enough he'll probably get done for whatever the US want him to, but I don't doubt there is a murky past there.

[Kowalski]

There is a very good piece in the New Statesman about the legal myths surrounding Assange:

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/david-allen-green/2012/08/legal-myths-about-assange-extradition

[Superstar Tradesman]

Because its not in-line with the champagne socialist mantra of taking the anti state side. I think it's quite clear that he has something to hide. Right enough he'll probably get done for whatever the US want him to, but I don't doubt there is a murky past there.

 

Personally I find it difficult to believe anyone wouldn't rather be locked up in an Ecuadorian embassy than doing bird in one of the most liberal jail systems in the world.

 

He's currently serving life inside those four walls, whereas he'd be free after a few years if he took his chances in Sweden.  It ain't rape charges he's dodging.

 

If you can't see that you'd be as well in Guantanamo with a bag over your head.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

Or doing birds whilst they are asleep.

 

If the Yanks want him, aren't the UK government more than amenable to extradition to the US?

[Kowalski]

[Superstar Tradesman]

Or doing birds whilst they are asleep.

 

If the Yanks want him, aren't the UK government more than amenable to extradition to the US?

 

The US can more or less do what they like, where they like.  As proven by Assange and his interweb geekery buddies.

 

But they're probably hoping Sweden will do their bidding instead of doing their own dirty work by wading into a country a lot closer to home.  Hell knows they've got enough enemies outwith missile shooting distance.  Do they need another Cuba?

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

But as I said, aren't the UK government pretty much nailed on for extraditing him on whatever charges the US have for him?

 

Seems a bit round the houses to get the Swedes to fabricate some shaggery charges.

 

Or, on the other hand, he is a dirty bastard who deserves to stand for intertampering wi the lassie concerned.

[Kowalski]

But as I said, aren't the UK government pretty much nailed on for extraditing him on whatever charges the US have for him?

 

Seems a bit round the houses to get the Swedes to fabricate some shaggery charges.

 

Or, on the other hand, he is a dirty bastard who deserves to stand for intertampering wi the lassie concerned.

 

Correct, it would be far easier for the US to extradite him from the UK.  If he goes to Sweden then the US need both the permission from the Swedes and the UK to extradite him.

He has a case to answer and if he really stands for the truth he should be going to Sweden to answer the charges.

[Superstar Tradesman]

The lassie ain't whiter than white, that's for sure.

 

Like I said; why lock yourself into an embassy for life when you could do a couple years in some low security, human rights laiden, holiday camp?

 

The US are distancing themselves from this but their fingerprints are all over it.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

The lassie ain't whiter than white?

 

The background is more than a bit strange but irrespective of the supposed involvement of the US, the Swedes want him and have applied legally to get him to face charges, he fucked off to the Ecuadorian embassy to dodge it.

 

If he IS whiter than white he'd face the charges.  Otherwise it would be virtually impossible for him to be guilty of any crime, it would simply be a "set-up".

[Superstar Tradesman]

There's more at stake here than a few years in the nick.

 

His whiter-than-white head is on the line.

 

Literally.

[TENEMENTFUNSTER]

His head is on the line? Somehow deathrow is an unlikely prospect, even the Swedish extradition rules exclude potential death penalty charges.

[Superstar Tradesman]

And who is going to tell the US what they can and cannot do?

 

America, fuck yeah.

[rocket_scientist]

Assange, and thon Ed Snowden were whistleblowers.

 

In this day and age, whistleblowing is discouraged and yet the very act is designed to expose wrongdoing by those in authority, wrongdoings that actively harms the vast majority whilst maintaining an unjust disparity in favour of the very few.

 

And yet, there are people who advocate that "going against the grain" is a bad thing?

 

Surely the examination of "the grain" precedes the decision of whether to comply with it or not?

 

The subjugated are subjugated because of their fear, stupidity and laziness. They watch more TV than read books, they go to McDonalds and eat more processed foods than prepare their own, the Sun and the Daily Record outsells other "newspapers" and they do whatever their governments tell them, never questioning nor thinking for themselves.

 

And we should all join the subjugated in their subjugation and care nothing for those with the bravery and selflessness to expose injustice? It's gone full circle. Aldous Huxley and George Orwell saw it coming.

[RicoS321]

The NHS uses tax payers money to try and shut whistleblowers up. The one place where you need people who can say that they made a mistake and everyone is made aware of it and measures are put in place to mitigate, yet we cover it up. To an extreme degree, on numerous occasions. In terms of the NHS, it can only get worse. As various processes are passed to the private sector, who's profits are linked to performance, the cover ups will be more frequent and less transparent. With a bit of luck, Rupert Murdoch will be on the end of one of their fuck ups.

[rocket_scientist]

The NHS is an excellent example. My wife has worked in it for longer than I've known her and we've been together 30 years in 3 months time. Waste has been deliberately engineered, creating an unbelievable amount of non-productive posts (remind anyone of AFC when Milne took charge?) and spending an extraordinary amount of money on quangos and projects and surveys and consultants (remind anyone of Milne's £600,000 feasibility study?) to guarantee financial non-performance and ultimately failure, spending more than they get. Even a lock on an NHS office door costs seven times more than you and I would pay for, let alone the millions that have been siphoned off for IT and data systems. The biggest waste is putting money into the pockets of the pharmas. Treatment for Hepatitis C and the appropriate drugs in Australia costs $100. Here it costs £35,000.

 

There is a distinction between NHS Scotland and England however. The consultants at ARI refuse to attend the "conferences" the drug companies offer which are basically a one-hour promotional meeting in a five or six day free paid holiday in exotic locations all over the world. Not only are the ministers benefiting from pharma "donations", they've been buying the silence of the medical practitioners themselves. Scotland, and particularly NHS Grampian are the last bastion of integrity and upholding the Hippocratic oath. The actions by Jeremy Hunt, an unfortunate and expendable public schoolboy wank to create war with the junior doctors will backfire spectacularly, despite the Prime Minister's lies and twisting data to say that we're dying at weekends because of doctor negligence.

 

The ultimate agenda is privatisation of course, and the ease with which public money can be misappropriated more covertly. Cameron "loves the NHS" like he "loves Britain". So he wants to continue spending £50,000,000 per day funding the EU political system and meanwhile his father-in-law became the biggest beneficiary of wind farm technology in Europe, mostly financed by EU subsidies.

 

And yet we're supposed to believe the news and the papers and the government and don't rock the boat and never speak out?

[RicoS321]

Didn't know that about the ARI consultants, that's interesting.

 

But, yes, the NHS is just one big socialism for the rich vehicle. Fucking subsidy junky cunts. It needs to be installed as a human right in a constitution, with drugs prevented from the right of patent. Thus removing the ability to make a profit through other people's illness. The same with food provision, shelter, education, travel and communication. Level the playing field. Everyone starts with the same (level of) opportunity.