How to Punish NewCo

[tom_widdows]

Livi were relegated for breaching the rules on insolvency (whatever that means)

Dundee went into administration twice but ended up with a 25 point penalty the 2nd time

[Penfold]

As far as I remember all those cases were also in the SFL, not the SPL.

[baggy89]

Gretna would have been SPL woudl it not as it was SPL fixtures they couldn't fulfil. Didn't we lose 6 points because of it?

 

Then again it's unlikely the huns would be unable to fulfil their fixtures.

[Tyrant]

Gretna would have been SPL woudl it not as it was SPL fixtures they couldn't fulfil. Didn't we lose 6 points because of it?

 

Then again it's unlikely the huns would be unable to fulfil their fixtures.

 

Not since the administrators bent over backwards to ensure next to no redundancies. Countless teams over the years have gone into administration and made heaps of players redundant. Only the fucking Huns could go into administration and keep the vast majority of the filthy fucking squad.

[Penfold]

Gretna would have been SPL woudl it not as it was SPL fixtures they couldn't fulfil. Didn't we lose 6 points because of it?

 

Then again it's unlikely the huns would be unable to fulfil their fixtures.

 

No, they completed their SPL fixtures and were relegated but were then liquidated that summer.

[warleywoods]

You might be interested to read the view of Stewart Milne in the 2002 Aberdeen FC accounts when talking about the possibility of Celtic and Rangers leaving the SPL as a result of the then proposed restructure.

 

If that does happen, Aberdeen, along with the other clubs outwith the Old Firm, will be looking to form a new league with a new voting structure which Rangers and Celtic will be invited to join. If they choose to decline this invitation there is little doubt that, in the short term, there will be a reduction in revenues from broadcasting and sponsorship due to their absence. However, it is my firm belief that within a short period, a Scottish league, in which a number of clubs will be capable of winning the championship, will become extremely attractive to television companies and business organisations alike.

 

You can check it out at the following location page 4:

 

http://www.afc.co.uk/staticFiles/53/e5/0,,10284~58707,00.pdf

 

Time to act on your words Stewart!

 

[Kowalski]

http://splsurvey.co.uk/stats.php

 

ABERDEEN: 97% NO to Newco 66% wouldn’t return & 24% would boycott Newco fixtures 54% NO to FFP

 

CELTIC: 98% NO to Newco 53% wouldn’t return & 36% would boycott Newco fixtures 73% NO to FFP

 

DUNDEE UTD: 97% NO to Newco 62% wouldn’t return & 27% would boycott Newco fixtures 54% NO to FFP

 

DUNFERMLINE: 97% NO to Newco 62% wouldn’t return & 25% would boycott Newco fixtures 49% NO to FFP

 

HEARTS: 97% NO to Newco 46% wouldn’t return & 36% would boycott Newco fixtures 41% NO to FFP

 

HIBERNIAN: 98% NO to Newco 54% wouldn’t return & 35% would boycott Newco fixtures 56% NO to FFP

 

INVERNESS CT: 93% NO to Newco 55% wouldn’t return & 33% would boycott Newco fixtures 60% NO to FFP

 

KILMARNOCK: 95% NO to Newco 56% wouldn’t return & 33% would boycott Newco fixtures 57% NO to FFP

 

MOTHERWELL: 92% NO to Newco 61% wouldn’t return & 25% would boycott Newco fixtures 69% NO to FFP

 

RANGERS: 35% NO to Newco 22% wouldn’t return & 3% would boycott Newco fixtures 76% NO to FFP

 

ST JOHNSTONE: 96% NO to Newco 56% wouldn’t return & 32% would boycott Newco fixtures 57% NO to FFP

 

ST MIRREN: 96% NO to Newco 54% wouldn’t return & 35% would boycott Newco fixtures 59% NO to FFP

 

SPL & SFL (excluding OF): 96% NO to Newco 53% wouldn’t return & 30% would boycott Newco fixtures 54% NO to FFP

[tlg1903]

over half of all fans bar the huns and diet huns say they would not go back.  14 1/2k taken the survey as well, as surveys go that's a huge number.  Surely clubs are going to have to take notice of this

[Madbadteacher]

Clubs might, but the SPL/SFA dinna fucking care what fans want!

[Kowalski]

Clubs might, but the SPL/SFA dinna fucking care what fans want!

 

They're getting a meeting anyway...

 

We have been invited to Hampden on Tuesday 24th April for a meeting with Neil Doncaster to discuss the outcome of this survey.

[glasgow sheep]

The Swiss FA have refused licences to FC Zurich (12 titles), Servette(17), Young Boys(11) & Sion to play in next season's Swiss Super League because of financial irregularities. Xmax already given the boot.

[Kowalski]

Full survey results here, loads to read:

 

http://splsurvey.co.uk/

 

[tlg1903]

A point that has not been made enough for me is

 

Rangers actions have taken tens of millions of pounds away from the public purse, that is sorely

needed by public bodies that save people’s lives, for the purpose of winning football competitions. If

this is not enough to encourage the harshest possible punishment from the people who run the game

in this country, then i and my family will have no part in it. It would be the death of what little integrity

and honour still remains in Scottish football.

[glasgowdon]

A point that has not been made enough for me is

 

Rangers actions have taken tens of millions of pounds away from the public purse, that is sorely

needed by public bodies that save people’s lives, for the purpose of winning football competitions. If

this is not enough to encourage the harshest possible punishment from the people who run the game

in this country, then i and my family will have no part in it. It would be the death of what little integrity

and honour still remains in Scottish football.

 

Well said. I may even borrow this observation in the near future.

 

 

[glasgow sheep]

Full survey results here, loads to read:

 

http://splsurvey.co.uk/

 

We feel that the proposed changes to the Financial Fair Play rules are designed with this in

mind and whilst in principle there is an acceptance that there need to be changes the general

feedback is that now is the wrong time to implement those changes.

 

Well only read the first page and not sure about this:

We feel that the proposed changes to the Financial Fair Play rules are designed with this in

mind and whilst in principle there is an acceptance that there need to be changes the general

feedback is that now is the wrong time to implement those changes.

Surely now is the time but it is the implication that any NewCo would get straight into the League that is the issue

[maverick sheep]

Oh the ironing.

 

Dundee would jump at the chance to replace Rangers in the Scottish Premier League, according to the Taysiders' Matt Lockwood. (Various)

[Madbadteacher]

Maybe some dchampionship club from engerland will apply, seeing as the bigotbros seem to think it's ok for them to jump leagues.........

[glasgow sheep]

So Rangers are a "special case" and too big to be punted out the league and shouldn't be punished as they need, no we need, them to stay competitive

winning everything

.

 

Hmm lets look at what happens to similarly big clubs in Europe when they break the rules:

 

BERNE, April 23 (Reuters) - FC Zurich and Young Boys - two of Switzerland's biggest clubs - are among four top-flight teams who have been refused a licence to compete in the country's first division next season, the league said on Monday.

Sion, deducted 36 points this season in a legal row, and financially troubled Servette Geneva were also turned down in the first instance as the league got tough following a year which saw Neuchatel Xamax kicked out of the championship.

 

The clubs have five days in which to appeal. Seven second division clubs also had applications refused.

 

"For reasons of infrastructure and finance, the Swiss Football League's licensing department has not granted the request for four Super League clubs," the league said in a statement.

 

"The commission has applied strict criteria, due to the experience of the past seasons. The budgets for the 2012/13 season have been examined from every angle."

 

FC Zurich have been Swiss champions 12 times and twice reached the semi-finals of the old European Cup while Young Boys have won the domestic title 11 times and reached the European Cup semi-finals in 1959.

 

Young Boys, coached by former Tottenham Hotspur manager Christian Gross, are third this term which would earn them a place in the Europa League qualifying rounds.

 

"In most cases, the refusals are due mainly for failing to meet financial criteria," said the league's statement, without going into further detail.

 

 

[maverick sheep]

Roddy Forsyth on 5live summing up the toxic attitude towards football in Scotland:

 

"[if Rangers are playing in division three] how strange it would be, you'll be getting a report from here in the east end, then heading off to places like Arbroath and Peterhead to find out how rangers are doing."

 

In other words, it's not the football or what's at stake in our competitions that sports media have a responsibility to report on, it's pandering to and encouraging a two club mentality that matters.

[mizer]

Scottish Premier League clubs have delayed a vote on financial fair play proposals that could have a significant impact on Rangers.

 

The 12 top flight clubs met at Hampden to discuss increasing the points deduction for teams in administration from 10 points to at least 15.

 

Any club applying for re-entry as a 'newco' would also be docked 10 points for two seasons and lose league income.

 

Clubs will meet again at Hampden on Monday 7 May.

[Tyrant]

[mini59dons]

I particularly liked this bullshit from Roger Mitchell.

 

He told BBC Radio Scotland: "The clubs vote principally through self-interest and they will all have had a word with their bank managers, who will have said 'whatever you do, make sure you still have revenue from a television deal and from Rangers fans coming through the turnstyles'.

"Rangers and Celtic basically finance the whole of the Scottish game.

 

[Tyrant]

I particularly liked this bullshit from Roger Mitchell.

 

 

 

No they fucking don't. Fuck off with this shit.

 

They seem determined to drive the fans away. They've seen the surveys. They can't say they weren't warned when fans fuck off in their droves. ARGH!

[mini59dons]

 

No they fucking don't. Fuck off with this shit.

 

They seem determined to drive the fans away. They've seen the surveys. They can't say they weren't warned when fans fuck off in their droves. ARGH!

 

Seems to me that if they keep saying it they think we will believe it and be happy enough for newco huns to stay in the SPL with little or no punishment just because 'we need them'!

 

Needs a couple SPL chairmen to step up and say something!

 

Fan power is nothing against a meedja campaign.

[BobbyBiscuit]

I'd imagine there have been "developments" at the huns which has led to this being postponed. A lot of people are touting liquidation for them within the next 48 hours, if true it makes sense holding off just now.