DT Politics Thread

[Reekie_Red]

23 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Trump is an immensely popular character in the US. He won because of that. 

This is what I am hearing from my US based pals. Rest of the World cannot believe the Americans have voted him in again.

But in the US, they seem sick of the same old political merry-go-round, voting in someone who doesn't listen to the working class. 

This is going to be very interesting to watch. The world will be significantly impacted by this election and Trumps actions during his time at The White House. The country is totally tucked, and is probably gonna be even more broken when he's done. 

 

[OrlandoDon]

42 minutes ago, Reekie_Red said:

This is what I am hearing from my US based pals. Rest of the World cannot believe the Americans have voted him in again.

But in the US, they seem sick of the same old political merry-go-round, voting in someone who doesn't listen to the working class. 

This is going to be very interesting to watch. The world will be significantly impacted by this election and Trumps actions during his time at The White House. The country is totally tucked, and is probably gonna be even more broken when he's done. 

 

Trump is far from a good candidate but picking the party and policy was my choice. I referenced JD Vance above, dont know if anyone saw the VP debate or have seen him speak. Even have a little watch of him with Joe Rogan, seems a normal guy! He’s legit, plus seems compromising, willing to work with dems, and diplomatic. Would love to see a politician the whole country can get behind. Won’t happen but he’d be a good place to start.

Edited November 7 by OrlandoDon

[tlg1903]

I also don't think you can underestimate the effect Identity politics has had on this result as well btw.  It's made plenty of people, and not just women, single issue voters over here so no reason to think it won't be over there and I think it is a big reason why so many demographics that would normally vote Democrat heavily weigh in for trump.  Most folks don't want to see males in women's sports and prisons and are sick of being called bigots for refusing to pretend that someone wasn't born the way they were. It will be interesting to see the effect a trump presidency has on this issue both domestically and internationally. 

[Tyrant]

8 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

You can only do 8 years so he has 4 left. The person to watch is JD Vance, the VP. He has been tremendously impressive over the last few months, incredibly smart, eloquent, calm, and a real find for the republicans. Funny, charming, and has interviewed extremely well.
I expect they’ll have learned that when you do nothing for 3 1/2 years it’s hard to become president. I expect Vance to be very involved and out front as VP, and the next presidential candidate after trump. get trump for 4 then Vance for 8 will be the republicans plan.

Next you'll be telling me Ron DeSantis is a fine upstanding politician and a credit to your new home state of Florida and not one of the worst human beings that has ever lived full stop period. 

[Tyrant]

54 minutes ago, Reekie_Red said:

This is what I am hearing from my US based pals. Rest of the World cannot believe the Americans have voted him in again.

But in the US, they seem sick of the same old political merry-go-round, voting in someone who doesn't listen to the working class. 

This is going to be very interesting to watch. The world will be significantly impacted by this election and Trumps actions during his time at The White House. The country is totally tucked, and is probably gonna be even more broken when he's done. 

 

 

So they voted in Donald Trump? 

[Elgindon]

32 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Trump is far from a good candidate but picking the party and policy was my choice. I referenced JD Vance above, dont know if anyone saw the VP debate or have seen him speak. Even have a little watch of him with Joe Rogan, seems a normal guy! He’s legit, plus seems compromising, willing to work with dems, and diplomatic. Would love to see a politician the whole country can get behind. Won’t happen but he’d be a good place to start.

I'm undecided on the Abortion issue,so parking that subject aside, any time I've heard Vance speak, all I heard was common sense,despite the hype previously about him.

 

[wee toon red]

11 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Yup, I am one of the 72 million cunts so far who voted republican. I voted against democratic policy and for ‘normal’ more than I did for trump. I am not an uneducated idiot extremist racist nazi as you’ve heard on most media outlets here for months.

I can only comment from my experiences living here. I will add though, having been home in September and talking to my family, it’s amazing the amount of misinformation/bullshit I heard from them regarding the US. The media here is primarily democrat owned and pumps out news opinion/propaganda. Only Fox News gives you republican perspective, not saying they are innocent, but we don’t have fair and impartial news here. I guarantee the news you get over there from US is certainly one sided and not overly truthful.

From 2016-2020 I didn’t pay that much attention to politics and life seemed good. I was financially secure and could afford a house and a mortgage. I lived in LA, expensive place, and heavily democratic. Each year things got more left, the homeless got worse, and I stopped enjoying living in California. I was a teacher, a very left leaning profession, and was required to attend the People of Color Conference every year where I learned wokism, DEI, and white guilt/privilege. Trump at the end of his term gained the joys of Covid. Under Biden I was fired from my six figure job for not getting vaccinated, my kids were kicked out of school because their parents weren’t submitting proof of vaccination. We didn’t have Covid ID cards so couldn’t go to shops, sports venues, and bars/restaurants for a significant period of time.  The homeless tents and breaking bad RVs lined the streets (and I lived in Sherman oaks, a very nice area). There were used needles littering the streets, and most mornings I would find homeless people bathing and washing clothes in our pool. Crime increased significantly and I started only walking my dogs in certain places and before 10pm.

All major cities here are democratically run here and are all going to shit, especially those in democratic states. You can easily read and see this info online. Democratic policy is killing this country so I moved to Florida for ‘freedom’ and a safe happy and healthy life for my children. My wife and I brought our kids here, we had no jobs, had to find a house, and start again. Life here is normal, people are normal. I do not see Florida as a state full of far right extremist fascists as I heard on MSNBC today.

biden was a pawn. He didn’t run the country. Harris is another pawn. Neither did unscripted interviews or events and rarely spoke in public. Any democratic candidate would have been set up that way. It’s a machine. They campaigned on orange extremist fascist man is bad and he’s horrible. CNN today were crushed today and said that they should have said this more often. they didn’t say that people are struggling and hurting and simply wants a government to address inflation, crime, immigration etc. It’s so expensive here now, we complain about cost every day. Many of my friends cannot afford to buy houses, the costs here have sky rocketed. Energy costs a fortune. The country is in so much debt and sending endless funds abroad instead of fixing their own problems. The southern border is tragic. Crime is way up. In my opinion the democrats caused so many of these problems, it didn’t have to go this way. 

Under trump and the republicans life seemed so much better and that’s why he won, we want that back. So many feel this way, and many don’t particularly like trump. He’s not that popular, he admits that too. It’s a vote and statement on bad policy. We didn’t have the crime, border issues, housing crisis, inflation, trump was an America first guy. I’m ok with that, we have so many issues here we have to address. Re abortion, trump stated during his campaign many times that he’s giving abortion decisions to each state. He has also softened his stance on abortion and is not looking to take the rights of women away as you hear from certain media outlets.

delighted with today and happy to be a cunt if that’s what this means. I truly believe this is the first step in heading back towards more common sense and normal, and this will have a positive effect outside of the US too in my opinion. 

 

 

Thanks for laying all that out. Chimes with what Republican-voting associates I have in California also feel.

A folow-up question if I may? Do you reckon the Dems managed to fuck all that up so spectacularly in just four years? Or is there a chance that this shit storm was coming anyway and they were "unlucky" enough to be in the hot seat? It's not a million miles away from how a lot of people feel the UK has been or is going and that was under the Tories, so not exactly a liberal minded government.

[wee toon red]

11 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Yup, I am one of the 72 million cunts so far who voted republican. I voted against democratic policy and for ‘normal’ more than I did for trump. I am not an uneducated idiot extremist racist nazi as you’ve heard on most media outlets here for months.

I can only comment from my experiences living here. I will add though, having been home in September and talking to my family, it’s amazing the amount of misinformation/bullshit I heard from them regarding the US. The media here is primarily democrat owned and pumps out news opinion/propaganda. Only Fox News gives you republican perspective, not saying they are innocent, but we don’t have fair and impartial news here. I guarantee the news you get over there from US is certainly one sided and not overly truthful.

From 2016-2020 I didn’t pay that much attention to politics and life seemed good. I was financially secure and could afford a house and a mortgage. I lived in LA, expensive place, and heavily democratic. Each year things got more left, the homeless got worse, and I stopped enjoying living in California. I was a teacher, a very left leaning profession, and was required to attend the People of Color Conference every year where I learned wokism, DEI, and white guilt/privilege. Trump at the end of his term gained the joys of Covid. Under Biden I was fired from my six figure job for not getting vaccinated, my kids were kicked out of school because their parents weren’t submitting proof of vaccination. We didn’t have Covid ID cards so couldn’t go to shops, sports venues, and bars/restaurants for a significant period of time.  The homeless tents and breaking bad RVs lined the streets (and I lived in Sherman oaks, a very nice area). There were used needles littering the streets, and most mornings I would find homeless people bathing and washing clothes in our pool. Crime increased significantly and I started only walking my dogs in certain places and before 10pm.

All major cities here are democratically run here and are all going to shit, especially those in democratic states. You can easily read and see this info online. Democratic policy is killing this country so I moved to Florida for ‘freedom’ and a safe happy and healthy life for my children. My wife and I brought our kids here, we had no jobs, had to find a house, and start again. Life here is normal, people are normal. I do not see Florida as a state full of far right extremist fascists as I heard on MSNBC today.

biden was a pawn. He didn’t run the country. Harris is another pawn. Neither did unscripted interviews or events and rarely spoke in public. Any democratic candidate would have been set up that way. It’s a machine. They campaigned on orange extremist fascist man is bad and he’s horrible. CNN today were crushed today and said that they should have said this more often. they didn’t say that people are struggling and hurting and simply wants a government to address inflation, crime, immigration etc. It’s so expensive here now, we complain about cost every day. Many of my friends cannot afford to buy houses, the costs here have sky rocketed. Energy costs a fortune. The country is in so much debt and sending endless funds abroad instead of fixing their own problems. The southern border is tragic. Crime is way up. In my opinion the democrats caused so many of these problems, it didn’t have to go this way. 

Under trump and the republicans life seemed so much better and that’s why he won, we want that back. So many feel this way, and many don’t particularly like trump. He’s not that popular, he admits that too. It’s a vote and statement on bad policy. We didn’t have the crime, border issues, housing crisis, inflation, trump was an America first guy. I’m ok with that, we have so many issues here we have to address. Re abortion, trump stated during his campaign many times that he’s giving abortion decisions to each state. He has also softened his stance on abortion and is not looking to take the rights of women away as you hear from certain media outlets.

delighted with today and happy to be a cunt if that’s what this means. I truly believe this is the first step in heading back towards more common sense and normal, and this will have a positive effect outside of the US too in my opinion. 

 

 

Thanks for laying all that out. Aligns with how Republican-voting associates I have in California feel.

A follow-up question if I may? Do you reckon the Dems managed to fuck all that up so spectacularly in just four years? Or is there a chance that this shit storm was coming anyway and they were "unlucky" enough to be in the hot seat? It's not a million miles away from how a lot of people feel the UK has been or is going and that was under the Tories, so not exactly a liberal minded government.

Edited November 7 by wee toon red

[Tyrant]

It's the Republican head-in-the-sand stance on human accelerated climate change that I find utterly abhorrent (as well as the bat shit crazy stance on guns and abortion related healthcare) that means I would have voted for fucking Mr. Bean before 34 x convicted felon, sex offender and pathological liar Donald J Trump. 

[OrlandoDon]

54 minutes ago, Tyrant said:

Next you'll be telling me Ron DeSantis is a fine upstanding politician and a credit to your new home state of Florida and not one of the worst human beings that has ever lived full stop period. 

Can you elaborate on de santis? 

[OrlandoDon]

4 hours ago, manc_don said:

It's another death nell for the planet imo. He, along with all his authoritarian friends, will rape and pillage the world. Two countries will cease to exist next year and that will be directly due to his foreign policy and the friends he keeps. Clue, it's not the ones currently committing genocide.

I don't envy the yanks, they were voting between two shades of shite, but I will respectively disagree that he was the less evil of the two. The media in the US is false, like much of the country but to say it was anti trump is laughable. CNN definitely.

I'm afraid that you will soon realise that his policies and corporate tax cuts will do fuck all, the US is fucked. Isn't the debt 100% of GDP already?

JD Vance is the one to watch out for, you're right. He seems like one evil fucker. Trump is just bumbling old fool, vance is the real evil.

Love to hear more about Vance. What’s your concerns that makes for suck a strong dislike? 

[OrlandoDon]

I’m not here to debate, to each their own. People asked and I explained why. I do think dems are much more dangerous than republicans, and I do believe the left is much more radical. Having worked in LA and private education, I’ve seen this since Obama. Just my experience. I probably was a dem until Obama and then things started to get weird.

the republicans have connected with normal people, middle of the road, people like me. Dems are the elite, big tech, big pharma, media, celebs, and Hollywood. They don’t relate to me and much of the country. This election was as much, if not more, a huge fuck you to the dems and their beliefs, than a vote for trump.

unless you live here and try to watch multiple media outlets, I’ll take your opinion with a pinch of salt. The lies and deceit on news networks is awful. So many are misled, I try to be open minded and listen to various viewpoints and networks, but I have selfishly, in my opinion, done what’s best for me and my family.

will be interesting if republicans control the White House, senate, and house. Yes, people will say that’s dangerous but I feel despite this domination/imbalance, I think good things will get done.

immigration, I came here at 22 from Scotland with nothing. I believe in the American dream. I’ve had visas, green cards, now citizenship, there’s a process in place to help keep people safe. I agree with that. There are always exceptions but they are just that. Dems agenda for immigration is scary.

in LA I paid a shit ton in taxes, including to the homeless and illegals who, in my opinion, have more of a negative than positive impact on society at present. There needs to be structures and processes in place to turn those around.  I was then evicted from California for not taking drugs. My body my choice, no?

I came to Florida at a time where many wouldnt hire unvaccinated and many states required kids to be covid vaccinated to go to school. We became ’homeless,’ scary!! I sold everything, packed my car with essentials including a wife, 2 kids, and 2 dogs, and drove 2200 miles. Florida and desantis welcomed us with open arms and I’m forever grateful for that. I’ll never agree with everything desantis or any politician says, but we love it here. We are free and normal!

when Vance was announced as VP he was slammed, weird, extremist, and tons of misinformation were put out. I’ve listened to him a bunch in many interviews and he sounds ok to me. Time will tell.

If any of you ever visit Orlando I’d love to buy you a beer! now, more concerning, are we starting topi or morris, and will we bounce back against Dundee!

[RicoS321]

2 hours ago, Tyrant said:

It's the Republican head-in-the-sand stance on human accelerated climate change that I find utterly abhorrent

But the other team's stance leads to exactly the same outcome. Why is one abhorrent, but the other not, purely on the basis of timing? One side pretends that they have the solution, and the other pretends that they don't believe it's happening. 

[Tyrant]

15 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

But the other team's stance leads to exactly the same outcome. Why is one abhorrent, but the other not, purely on the basis of timing? One side pretends that they have the solution, and the other pretends that they don't believe it's happening. 

OK I'll bite. Who's pretending to have a solution? Pretending that it doesn't exist is abhorrent because it's your kids, grandkids and great grandkids that you're fucking over for short time gain either political or financial. Acknowledging that it exists is the first fucking step to take at least. But now the right won't even do that. The republicans over there make the Tories here seem fucking progressive. 

[OrlandoDon]

5 minutes ago, Tyrant said:

OK I'll bite. Who's pretending to have a solution? Pretending that it doesn't exist is abhorrent because it's your kids, grandkids and great grandkids that you're fucking over for short time gain either political or financial. Acknowledging that it exists is the first fucking step to take at least. But now the right won't even do that. The republicans over there make the Tories here seem fucking progressive. 

To me it’s just who you buy into. And are we doing what’s right, or just what makes people money? Do they care about the environment? /global warming? I personally don’t think so. I don’t think those in power give two shits about you or your family.

Take the issue with gas/oil here. The dems want to ban gas cars and shut down certain oil production. California has implemented laws that you can no longer buy gas cars by a certain date. I own an electric car and my house is fully solar. Going through this process I’ve learned the challenges of lithium batteries and the challenges with solar panels. Both require gas to produce and both are very difficult to dispose of. So are they better for the environment? Not to get too technical, but I read somewhere that it takes more oil to produce a fully functioning EV than to run a gas car for the average number of years you keep a gas powered car.

We had an EV summit here last year and all the big wigs from all car companies were invited to Washington for a big brain meeting. Elon Musk was not invited. Are we doing what’s right for the environment or what lines pockets?

[RicoS321]

20 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

Not to get too technical, but I read somewhere that it takes more oil to produce a fully functioning EV than to run a gas car for the average number of years you keep a gas powered car.

That's an extremely strange statistic. Sounds to me like you're excluding the production of the ICE vehicle for some weird reason. For the record, over their lifespan, there are significantly less emissions produced by an EV. For reference, I have driven an EV for fourteen years and do not believe that EVs are an answer to the issues that we face. 

[RicoS321]

38 minutes ago, Tyrant said:

OK I'll bite. Who's pretending to have a solution? Pretending that it doesn't exist is abhorrent because it's your kids, grandkids and great grandkids that you're fucking over for short time gain either political or financial. Acknowledging that it exists is the first fucking step to take at least. But now the right won't even do that. The republicans over there make the Tories here seem fucking progressive. 

The democrat party pretend to have a solution. It involves continued pursuit of economic growth apparently. I'm not entirely sure why you'd care whether someone has acknowledged the issue or not, if it's entirely out with their ideology to solve the problem. It's not a step towards anything, it's just a meaningless step. It's like someone admitting that they're an alcoholic, and their solution is that they'll only drink when they're out, because they like a drink at a party. Then finding out that they were actually drunk that very moment, and had been for six days.

[OrlandoDon]

26 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

That's an extremely strange statistic. Sounds to me like you're excluding the production of the ICE vehicle for some weird reason. For the record, over their lifespan, there are significantly less emissions produced by an EV. For reference, I have driven an EV for fourteen years and do not believe that EVs are an answer to the issues that we face. 

I’ll see if I can find this. It’s not the emissions produced by the EV, it’s the whole package including emissions produced in full production of the EV which includes the mining and production of the battery.

[Tyrant]

26 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

The democrat party pretend to have a solution. It involves continued pursuit of economic growth apparently. I'm not entirely sure why you'd care whether someone has acknowledged the issue or not, if it's entirely out with their ideology to solve the problem. It's not a step towards anything, it's just a meaningless step. It's like someone admitting that they're an alcoholic, and their solution is that they'll only drink when they're out, because they like a drink at a party. Then finding out that they were actually drunk that very moment, and had been for six days.

 

Please to be enlightening me. This is news to me. Personally I believe that economics is the last thing you should be thinking about when tackling climate change. Not much point in having a strong economy under water unless we evolve gills post haste. 

I can't really be arsed explaining the importance of admitting there's a problem to someone who appears to be much more pedantic than they are stupid. 

Whether there's a solution or not I don't know but there are countless steps that can be taken in the right direction. And the first one is not pretending that it doesn't exist because it doesn't suit your agenda. Or maybe they just can't be arsed. When Covid became too much of an inconvenience they just decided to pretend it didn't exist. After all it was only the weak that were dying. 

I happen to agree that EVs aren't the answer on their own but again they are a step in the right direction. The carbon footprint of EVs is an overplayed card but the more widespread they become the smaller the carbon footprint of each car will become.

Personally I believe the aviation and shipping industry have to take much of the responsibility as well as manufacturing.

[RicoS321]

4 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

Most folks don't want to see males in women's sports and prisons

I find these types of statement hilarious. They're generally said by people who have absolutely zero interest in women's sports and when asked about prison conditions would usually respond with the moronic: "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". 

Where were you when women were being raped and abused in institutions up and down the country by men with cocks, that were not dressed as women at the time? Or when women were giving birth in their cells? Or any other far more pressing issues in women's prisons that don't involved getting biffed by a tranny. 

It's fucking mental how such a side issue has been elevated to something important. It's impressive actually. It started with an attempt to help a relatively small number of people with identity issues, was picked up by the crap-rags who made it the biggest issue of our times (your daughters are going to get fucked by a man dressed as a girl in the public toilets!!!!). Hilariously, the"progressives" responded in equally loud and shouty manner, resulting in it being a bigger story than if Jesus had returned. Now it's an issue that everyone and their dog has to have "a position" on. I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about another person's genital history. 

[RicoS321]

2 minutes ago, Tyrant said:

 

Please to be enlightening me. This is news to me. Personally I believe that economics is the last thing you should be thinking about when tackling climate change. Not much point in having a strong economy under water unless we evolve gills post haste. 

I can't really be arsed explaining the importance of admitting there's a problem to someone who appears to be much more pedantic than they are stupid. 

Whether there's a solution or not I don't know but there are countless steps that can be taken in the right direction. And the first one is not pretending that it doesn't exist because it doesn't suit your agenda. Or maybe they just can't be arsed. When Covid became too much of an inconvenience they just decided to pretend it didn't exist. After all it was only the weak that were dying. 

I happen to agree that EVs aren't the answer on their own but again they are a step in the right direction. The carbon footprint of EVs is an overplayed card but the more widespread they become the smaller the carbon footprint of each car will become.

Personally I believe the aviation and shipping industry have to take much of the responsibility as well as manufacturing.

No, EVs are not a step in the right direction, they're a can kicking exercise, and if people like the democrats didn't lie about such non-solutions, you would know that. 

I'm not being remotely pedantic here either. To me, it's equally bad to be pretending that you don't believe in climate change as presenting solutions (net zero, EVs, green growth, CCS etc etc) that you know not only won't solve the issue, but keep us believing that it will until it's too late to change course. The result of both is exactly the same, so why does it matter which political wankery got you there? Why would anyone pretend that one is better than the other, when the issue is simply one of timing?

[RicoS321]

22 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

I’ll see if I can find this. It’s not the emissions produced by the EV, it’s the whole package including emissions produced in full production of the EV which includes the mining and production of the battery.

Okay, well then it's not true. 

[tom_widdows]

19 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

You can only do 8 years so he has 4 left. The person to watch is JD Vance, the VP. He has been tremendously impressive over the last few months, incredibly smart, eloquent, calm, and a real find for the republicans. Funny, charming, and has interviewed extremely well.
I expect they’ll have learned that when you do nothing for 3 1/2 years it’s hard to become president. I expect Vance to be very involved and out front as VP, and the next presidential candidate after trump. get trump for 4 then Vance for 8 will be the republicans plan.

Anti abortion, anti gay marriage, pro guns.

I expect thats my US trips on hold till im 52 at the earliest.

 

 

[OrlandoDon]

6 hours ago, tom_widdows said:

Anti abortion, anti gay marriage, pro guns.

I expect thats my US trips on hold till im 52 at the earliest.

 

 

Have you listened to him talk about that stuff? Or listened to him talk in detail/at length?

[RicoS321]

10 hours ago, tom_widdows said:

Anti abortion, anti gay marriage, pro guns.

I expect thats my US trips on hold till im 52 at the earliest.

 

 

Why? What do you do on your holidays?