DT Politics Thread

[rocket_scientist]

TDD, don't respond to it.

 

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

 

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!

[Garlogie_Granite]

Not really finding anything to add to the Rocket here. Kinda voiced my thoughts. So I'll just say good mornign to you all 

[RicoS321]

The Guardian isn’t right leading.

 

It is compared to Corbyn's labour party though isn't it? It's very much wedded to the Blairite position, or the Ed Miliband position at best editorially speaking. Overall though, Rocket is right, there is an economic system designed around globilisation and maintaining a status quo. All of the UK's papers sit comfortably within that framework. That one might think an Isis girl should come home and the other think she should piss off to a brown country is a irrelevant distraction that give the impression of a left and right.

 

 

For what it’s worth, Corbyn (and May) have been horrific over Brexit. There’s definitely a need for a centric voice / break up of traditional politics as it’s currently fucked.

 

What would a "centric voice" do to break up traditional politics? How would it solve our systemic global issues? The problem with centrism (very generally speaking) is that it doesn't solve any actual problems because to solve them you have to go one way or the other. If by breaking up traditional politics you mean dissolving the power of the labour party then you're right, it works. That has almost zero chance of breaking up FPTP and as far as I'm aware that isn't the intention of these well-meaning and principled politicians.

[donsdaft]

Well you might find centre politics more appealing once they start carting the Jews off to the gas chambers again.

Or maybe when you get the letter / email / tweet that tells you not to expect your son to come home, but never mind because he was brave.

 

 

It's flag waving that causes all that sort of shite and the waving of flags seems to be getting more popular.

[Kowalski]

TDD, don't respond to it.

 

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

 

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!

 

I don't believe the Labour party are a party of anti semitists and this is a story being blown out of proportion by our right leaning press.

 

Personally I wouldn’t have labelled you a glue pot.

[Kowalski]

TDD, don't respond to it.

 

Any gluepot who thinks that there are right or left leaning newspapers - the print media being irrelevant in the modern era other than to the incredibly stupid - doesn't understand how there is no "right" or "left" anymore.

 

There is nothing to be gained by communicating with gluepots this thick. They don't see anything. They are Leonardo's third and most tragic category of humanity but unfortunately they do breathe air and therefore qualify as humanity!

 

Print media? 

[rocket_scientist]

Anyway, some Labour MPs, and again tonight, fall over themselves to state that the party has not addressed the problem so there’s clearly something in it. I don’t think they are an anti-Semitic party but they’ve fostered anti-semites and not fully dealt with it.

 

There's clearly something in it? Because it's been repeated often enough?

 

Name the anti-semites fostered by the party?

 

The generalist accusations are telling in themselves. Not one of the eight defectors, nor one of the huge amount of "stories" on this subject (for well over a year now) has ever specifically outed the supposed bigots within the Labour Party.

 

Rico was spot on. Not commenting on the obvious lies was always the best strategy. The truth will out.

[Ten Caat]

The bigots are not the MP's per se......although the lack of forceful condemnation of the anti-semitism makes them complicit...but lies within the so called "activists" ( loudmouthed cunts with an agenda). In a similar way the Tories are  infected with racists in their grassroot membership.

 

This new centrist group are doomed to failure though. 3 Tories have joined today but as Rico rightly says.....to solve a problem you have to take a line be it left or right wing as a policy. Trying to please both sides will never work. The SDP in 81 had far bigger political names when it set up yet still was an irrelevance when the 83 election took place and was forced to eventually seek an alliance with the Liberals.

[TheDeeDon]

The bigots are not the MP's per se......although the lack of forceful condemnation of the anti-semitism makes them complicit...but lies within the so called "activists" ( loudmouthed cunts with an agenda). In a similar way the Tories are  infected with racists in their grassroot membership.

 

This new centrist group are doomed to failure though. 3 Tories have joined today but as Rico rightly says.....to solve a problem you have to take a line be it left or right wing as a policy. Trying to please both sides will never work. The SDP in 81 had far bigger political names when it set up yet still was an irrelevance when the 83 election took place and was forced to eventually seek an alliance with the Liberals.

 

I read somewhere yesterday that the SDP polled 25% of the vote at the 83 GE, but only got something like 23 seats. No new party will ever survive unless the FPTP system in done away with and neither Labour or Tory would ever want a breakaway from the golden goose.  Do these breakaway MPs have to fight by-elections if they have gave up their party whip?

[RicoS321]

I read somewhere yesterday that the SDP polled 25% of the vote at the 83 GE, but only got something like 23 seats. No new party will ever survive unless the FPTP system in done away with and neither Labour or Tory would ever want a breakaway from the golden goose.  Do these breakaway MPs have to fight by-elections if they have gave up their party whip?

 

Aye, SDP were popular in a UKIP style. Lots of votes but no representation.

 

The independent group are riddled with types who wouldn't dream of dismantling FPTP. They just want their parties to return to whatever state they were in in 2000-2010(ish) so that they can re-join them.

 

They are not required to have by elections as we are in a representative democracy. We vote for a representative who will put forward the views of their constituents without being held to party political views. That many peopl might think that they were voting for labour is neither here nor there. They were voting for a candidate who belonged to a party. Otherwise we'd just have parties on the ballot.

[rocket_scientist]

Very good letter from the three to the PM explaining their reasons for resignation.

 

Twitter and YouTube, like ALL of the mainstream media, are part of the problem. Proof of this is numerous and various over many years now but Craig Murray has just pointed out that the YouTube video evidence of Joan Ryan receiving £1 million from Shai Misot of the Israeli Embassy to "spread around to increase Israeli influence amongst MP's" has now been pulled. Sit back and see how many "investigative journalists" even mention it, let alone ask the right questions.

[rocket_scientist]

George Galloway on Sky News today was brilliant.

 

He described the mainstream media - specifically The Times and "you", to his interviewer (meaning Sky)  - as peddling lies and being "Goebellian".

 

He also said that there wasn't "a fibre, a molecule or an atom" of Jeremy Corbyn that is anti-semitic. He pointed out that there was more anti-semitism in Labour under Miliband and that the Jewish lobbies know this and have the data to prove it. A pathetic retort from that wank Sky man was dealt with beautifully. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. The real truth can only be seen by people who ask questions and who think critically.

[tom_widdows]

George Galloway on Sky News today was brilliant.

 

He described the mainstream media - specifically The Times and "you", to his interviewer (meaning Sky)  - as peddling lies and being "Goebellian".

 

He also said that there wasn't "a fibre, a molecule or an atom" of Jeremy Corbyn that is anti-semitic. He pointed out that there was more anti-semitism in Labour under Miliband and that the Jewish lobbies know this and have the data to prove it. A pathetic retort from that wank Sky man was dealt with beautifully. Just because somebody says something doesn't mean it's true. The real truth can only be seen by people who ask questions and who think critically.

 

Was it like his 'spat' with Paxman on Election night 2005?

[rocket_scientist]

Was it like his 'spat' with Paxman on Election night 2005?

 

Check it out yourself. It's trending on Twitter.

[donsdaft]

That was the best (worst) one yet.

 

Interviewing the English (and a few Huns) who actually live in Benidorm.

 

Of course they all want to leave the EU without a deal.

 

One guy says " This bar would close down if it weren't for the British, that proves that Europe need us more than we need them"

 

 

Ignorant arrogant English arsehole, just par for the course.

[TheDeeDon]

That was the best (worst) one yet.

 

Interviewing the English (and a few Huns) who actually live in Benidorm.

 

Of course they all want to leave the EU without a deal.

 

One guy says " This bar would close down if it weren't for the British, that proves that Europe need us more than we need them"

 

 

Ignorant arrogant English arsehole, just par for the course.

 

I saw that interview just after it started and thought they were talking to people in Yorkshire. I was very surprised to discover these people actually live in Spain.

[donsdaft]

One John Bercow

There’s only one John Bercow

 

[Ten Caat]

Aye he's pretty much inserted a stick of dynamite up May's hoop and lit the fuse.

 

Just wondering now if she will resign and let someone else have a go or else go rogue and they to force through a no deal just to get back at Bercow

[donsdaft]

All he's really done is be the referee who awarded a penalty against Sevco at Ibrox.

 

Despite it being a stonewaller the Tories are behaving the same as the Huns would.

 

Did anyone see Andrea Leadsom's face?

 

 

Nae Happy

[Kowalski]

Leadsom can get it right up her. Horrible human being.

 

Fuck knows where all this will end but running down the clock has not worked. There’s been too many (on both sides of the commons) putting their parties first, before the national interest.

[donsdaft]

Running down the clock has worked perfectly well, I just hope it doesn't end in a happy Hatchet Face.

 

John Bercow is a star, May has treated absolutely everyone she has come in contact with with contempt.

 

They were talking about meaningful vote 4

 

More bullying, more bribes.

 

Remember she didn't want parliament to be allowed a vote at all.

 

Terrified of going back to the country in case she has to face up to the true "will of the people" she just keeps on going.

 

I wish someone would take her batteries out.

[RicoS321]

2021. The year that Scotland breaks free.

[Tyrant]

2021. The year that Scotland breaks free.

 

Nicely put Rico. 

[tom_widdows]

Turnout in EU elections supposedly up from 4 years back

 

Farage's horde 'winning' alot in the North of England. 

 

Scotland so far SNP up 10% on 4 years ago

Farage & co currently on 15% of the vote 

Lib Dems up 5%

Labour taking the bigger kicking so far down nearly 18%

[Ten Caat]

Hefty old (and deserved) boot in the baws for both Tories and Labour.

 

Tories in 5th place overall