DT Politics Thread

[RicoS321]

3 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

Have you listened to him talk about that stuff? Or listened to him talk in detail/at length?

I have. He's an uninspiring loser, as are all politicians. Lacking in imagination, wisdom, love, integrity and authenticity. I get that you're a republican voter, nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't start holding a candle to these fuckwits. That's no different to those that hold Sanders or Corbyn or Churchill as a shining beacon. The system doesn't allow for anyone who you'd actually want as a leader, to lead. Hence why Jesus never joined the Roman Tory party under Augustus. Vance is still willing to support genocide when it suits, to take money from billionaires in turn for policy and lick the boots of a pathetic man-child narcissist in Trump for his own personal gain. Playing the system means you're automatically not fit to lead that system. Or, actually, you're automatically fit to lead that system. In fact, he's a perfect fit. Hopefully, one day soon, the majority will see it for what it is and stop engaging with it. It's a system designed to fail anyway, and its failings are beyond the control and vision of guys like Trump and Vance (or else they wouldn't be there). 

[tlg1903]

21 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

I find these types of statement hilarious. They're generally said by people who have absolutely zero interest in women's sports and when asked about prison conditions would usually respond with the moronic: "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". 

Where were you when women were being raped and abused in institutions up and down the country by men with cocks, that were not dressed as women at the time? Or when women were giving birth in their cells? Or any other far more pressing issues in women's prisons that don't involved getting biffed by a tranny. 

It's fucking mental how such a side issue has been elevated to something important. It's impressive actually. It started with an attempt to help a relatively small number of people with identity issues, was picked up by the crap-rags who made it the biggest issue of our times (your daughters are going to get fucked by a man dressed as a girl in the public toilets!!!!). Hilariously, the"progressives" responded in equally loud and shouty manner, resulting in it being a bigger story than if Jesus had returned. Now it's an issue that everyone and their dog has to have "a position" on. I genuinely couldn't give a fuck about another person's genital history. 

Jesus fucking wept.  This kind of attitude is EXACTLY why the Democrats lost.  "well, i don't think this is a big deal so no-one else should and if you do you're a bigot.  We know better, just suck it up oiks"  

1.  Whether you like it or not it's not a fucking side issue at all. As I said prior a lot of people have become single issue voters over it over here (look at the collapse of the female vote for the SNP if you need an example) and I would be very surprised if it's not the same in the states.  
2.  Where was I when people in positions of authority were raping women?  Condemning it whenever I became aware of it.  Giving birth in a cell?  Also condemning it.  The difference here is that in both cases the prison staff are failing in their duty of care and there are processes in place to to discipline them for it and for them to lose their jobs.  Prisons are not meant to be holiday camps but, equally, people should be safe within them.  It's interesting though that you show concern on those fronts  but then show nothing but contempt for woman when you trivialise rape by saying "Or any other far more pressing issues in women's prisons that don't involved getting biffed by a tranny.".  Why are you ok with with women getting locked up with males that want to rape them that they can't escape from cos, you know, prison?  Genuine question.  Also what are these issues in womans prisons that are more pressing that inmates being raped?  Again, genuine question.  
3  "It's fucking mental how such a side issue has been elevated to something important. It's impressive actually. It started with an attempt to help a relatively small number of people with identity issues, was picked up by the crap-rags who made it the biggest issue of our times"
This is not what happened at all.  What started out as a very noble cause to raise awareness for those suffering the mental health condition, gender dysphoria, was hijacked and has now basically become a male supremacy movement.  Further to that the ideological capture of institutions (see the edinburgh rape crisis centre controversy for example) and the indoctrination of children in schools has further stoked the fire.  I feel absolutely gutted for the actually gender dysphoric because none of them wanted this.  
4.   It's not about "genital history" it's about an emperors new clothes level delusion (namely the concept that sex is not real and immutable) sweeping the world and weak minded people going along with it because they are too scared to offend or be branded a bigot.  Hope you enjoyed your wee virtue signal though 

Edited November 8 by tlg1903

[manc_don]

On 08/11/2024 at 00:31, OrlandoDon said:

Love to hear more about Vance. What’s your concerns that makes for suck a strong dislike? 

My concerns of him is he’ll do anything for power. No one actually knows what he believes and he’s proved he’s more than happy to change his spots to suit his desires. That, is a sign of a sick person who cannot be trusted. That’s why he’s ultimately more dangerous than trump.

This isn’t a dig at you, as you’ve outlined why youve voted the way you have, as is your right. Back to why I’m most fearful is the biggest thing for me (climate aside which is going to suffer big time) is the abortion thing. Why the fuck do men think they can control a woman’s body? The shit that goes on in the US genuinely makes me think the rest of the world should build a wall around it. Honestly, I would not want a daughter over there. It’s bonkers. Truly handmaids tale shit.

[RicoS321]

4 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

Jesus fucking wept.  This kind of attitude is EXACTLY why the Democrats lost.  "well, i don't think this is a big deal so no-one else should and if you do you're a bigot.  We know better, just suck it up oiks"  

1.  Whether you like it or not it's not a fucking side issue at all. As I said prior a lot of people have become single issue voters over it over here (look at the collapse of the female vote for the SNP if you need an example) and I would be very surprised if it's not the same in the states.  
2.  Where was I when people in positions of authority were raping women?  Condemning it whenever I became aware of it.  Giving birth in a cell?  Also condemning it.  The difference here is that in both cases the prison staff are failing in their duty of care and there are processes in place to to discipline them for it and for them to lose their jobs.  Prisons are not meant to be holiday camps but, equally, people should be safe within them.  It's interesting though that you show concern on those fronts  but then show nothing but contempt for woman when you trivialise rape by saying "Or any other far more pressing issues in women's prisons that don't involved getting biffed by a tranny.".  Why are you ok with with women getting locked up with males that want to rape them that they can't escape from cos, you know, prison?  Genuine question.  Also what are these issues in womans prisons that are more pressing that inmates being raped?  Again, genuine question.  
3  "It's fucking mental how such a side issue has been elevated to something important. It's impressive actually. It started with an attempt to help a relatively small number of people with identity issues, was picked up by the crap-rags who made it the biggest issue of our times"
This is not what happened at all.  What started out as a very noble cause to raise awareness for those suffering the mental health condition, gender dysphoria, was hijacked and has now basically become a male supremacy movement.  Further to that the ideological capture of institutions (see the edinburgh rape crisis centre controversy for example) and the indoctrination of children in schools has further stoked the fire.  I feel absolutely gutted for the actually gender dysphoric because none of them wanted this.  
4.   It's not about "genital history" it's about an emperors new clothes level delusion (namely the concept that sex is not real and immutable) sweeping the world and weak minded people going along with it because they are too scared to offend or be branded a bigot.  Hope you enjoyed your wee virtue signal though 

Well you've spectacularly managed to miss my point, but fair enough, I'll respond. First, I couldn't give a fuck whether the democrats were elected or not, so I'd like to hope they weren't taking their campaign as seriously as I was. I don't think people who care about the issue are bigots, nor did I suggest that anywhere, I don't think the majority care at all, they simply get dragged into the "debate" by the press, social media and their respective sides of said debate. It's contrived, entirely. Because it's a side issue that has been elevated to the moon by weirdos - whipped up hysteria. You might be genuine in caring, it may be important to you or a family member, but the majority have simply been dragged along and forced to pick a side. 

Point 1: well, yes, that was my point 

Point 2: the issues that are more important than women getting raped in prison by men disguised as women are every other issue that regularly effects women in prison for the very reason that those things actually happen (I'm sure you can point to a single incident, perhaps two or three even). I'm also not getting irate about the lack of defence against bear attacks in women's prisons. It's a minor issue, which any competent government or private prison company should be able to deal with. The volume of men changing gender before committing a crime to go to prison and rape someone is manageable. Or if it isn't, then there is a lot worse happening in our prisons that we can't cope with. But let's be clear here, I'm not saying that I spend any time claiming to give a shite about issues that affect female prisoners, I absolutely don't. Just as I don't believe that the majority of people who suddenly feel strongly about men in women's prisons don't either. The point wasn't about me, nor about you. Because the people I talk to who suddenly seem to care about this issue are friends, family and colleagues who I absolutely know had zero interest in female prisoners before the crap-rags, talkshows and (to a lesser extent, because they don't have the reach) the opposing Green party weirdos decided to whip up a culture war. 

Point 3: you've basically provided more detail. Good work. I'm not quite sure what you mean by male supremacy movement, and I know that my kids aren't being indoctrinated in school (well, they are, but in something far more insidious), but otherwise I agree with your point - a side issue that has been elevated, as I said (obviously not a side issue for those with gender dysphoria, and their families, but everyone else).

Point 4: I agree with your position on gender, but I choose not to elevate it to anything beyond the side issue that it is. I don't care. There is no virtue signalling from me, because I'm not even taking a position, which I thought was fairly clear. I don't need a bureaucracy to tell me what gender is, and neither do most normal people. Just as I don't fall foul of "can't say anything these days", because I generally say what I like, and nobody really has a problem. To be honest, I'm surprised that anyone is genuinely surprised that the post modern system we live in wants to dictate what we do and don't believe is real. I live in the fucking suburbs, reality was stripped from my life a long time ago.

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, manc_don said:

My concerns of him is he’ll do anything for power. No one actually knows what he believes and he’s proved he’s more than happy to change his spots to suit his desires. That, is a sign of a sick person who cannot be trusted. That’s why he’s ultimately more dangerous than trump.

This isn’t a dig at you, as you’ve outlined why youve voted the way you have, as is your right. Back to why I’m most fearful is the biggest thing for me (climate aside which is going to suffer big time) is the abortion thing. Why the fuck do men think they can control a woman’s body? The shit that goes on in the US genuinely makes me think the rest of the world should build a wall around it. Honestly, I would not want a daughter over there. It’s bonkers. Truly handmaids tale shit.

To each their own, we all have our viewpoints and as I said before, I’m not really here to debate, but happy to give you my take as a Scottish cunt in America.
I’ve heard Vance a bunch, including informally on Rogan where you get to know him a little more given it’s 3 hours, and I find him intriguing. Having lived here for 29 years I also understand more about belief systems here, perception of race , social justice, crime and guns for example, and the relationship to other factors. In the VP debate I found Vance more diplomatic, eloquent, open minded, and willing to work with dems. But certainly strong opinions in certain areas. Could be total bullshit but he has plenty of people intrigued. He also explained why he’s changed his mind on things as he grows and learns more, including not initially supporting trump in 2016. I don’t see that as changing his spots, more being mature and humble enough to acknowledge when he’s wrong or now sees matters differently. Now if he changes opinion every year that’s certainly different.

After being called a cunt along with 70 million others, I expressed why I voted, and why many others did.  I can’t speak to Britain and how they do things there, I can only relate to my experiences here over the last 29 years, it’s a fucked up place as I’ve said before, but the world is pretty fucked up in general at the moment, and I do think the last 4 years of US govt has made it worse.
Living in California versus Florida is very different and governed very differently, like different countries altogether. Plenty of people talk about civil war or can the US split up, a factor in the gun debate. I can relate to that first hand from my Covid experience in California. Florida is certainly a happier, more peaceful, and safer place and that’s what I wanted for my kids growing up. Nowhere is perfect but in the media Florida and desantis were called nazis extremists racists and fascists, and the filth spewed about Florida from some news channels in recent months/year was awful. The comments I got when I told people I was moving here were crazy. No clue what you hear in Britain, but what I hear in most American media is not the Florida I experience.
no clue what you or anyone here knows about the US but I believe you dont get the real picture. Discussed this with my family a lot who all live in England now. The majority of media here is democratic perspective as I’ve said, and has slammed trump and republicans endlessly, rightly or wrongly, some truths and some flat out lies.
it’s amazing the lies spouted and as I said in regard to global warming and EVs, it’s really what you hear and what you buy into. Very hard to know what his true there days.

Abortion is a good example since you referenced it. I think Kamala said flat out this week pre election that trump would ban abortion. Trump has said it’s each states decision to make. Said that multiple times. He softened his stance, not changing his spots, just listening to people I think. Washington DC for example allows abortion at any stage of pregnancy for anyone of any age without parental consent. Some people think that’s wrong. Abortion isn’t getting banned here but each state will and have determined what they allow. I don’t see that as men telling women what to do, plenty of opinionated and passionate women out there!

[tom_widdows]

13 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Why? What do you do on your holidays?

San Francisco is lovely

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, tom_widdows said:

San Francisco is lovely

When were you last there???

[scotfree]

On 06/11/2024 at 20:28, BigAl said:

Just looking at the financial markets which seem to have reacted favourably to the news

Nikkei in Japan up 2.6% overnight and FTSE 100 currently up 1.3%.

Interesting for those of us that follow these things to see what happens when the American markets open later today.

The impact of this will impact upon every single one of us in some way.

America sneezes and the rest of the world gets a cold.  

[scotfree]

It's getting a wee bit heated here, guys. It has been a really interesting read over the last few pages but we don't want it to deteriorate it to a slagging match. 

 

[RicoS321]

7 hours ago, scotfree said:

It's getting a wee bit heated here, guys. It has been a really interesting read over the last few pages but we don't want it to deteriorate it to a slagging match. 

 

Take your anti-heat rhetoric somewhere else, bigot. As someone who produces heat on a regular basis, I find your call for patience and love offensive. 

[scotfree]

54 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Take your anti-heat rhetoric somewhere else, bigot. As someone who produces heat on a regular basis, I find your call for patience and love offensive. 

[OrlandoDon]

10 hours ago, scotfree said:

It's getting a wee bit heated here, guys. It has been a really interesting read over the last few pages but we don't want it to deteriorate it to a slagging match. 

 

For the most part I dont see it as a slagging match although it’s what I’ve been used to over here for years. For that reason I’m just really explaining my side but won’t get into the deeper convo of guns, abortion, immigration , the economy etc. You get extreme views from both sides, and it’s obviously a very passionate topic.
i do factor in where people live and do feel that if you don’t live here you dont fully understand what is happening. For that reason I will ask where you are getting your info and how much you’ve heard. If you watch fox or cnn here you hear about two very different countries, and both sides are extremely guilty of exaggerating, partial truths, and lies. id say it’s even like rangers fans across the world who have never lived in scotland or even Britain.. Don’t think they realize what rangers really are.

A lot of good happened under trump’s previous presidency which does not get publicized or talked about. You can point to things people didn’t like but that’s every government and leadership. As I repeatedly say, the democratic media machine has been awful over the last 4 years. Plenty of people also spout shite because they are simply negative and like to complain. We take it seriously and actually did something about it, quitting jobs, lives, selling up and starting from scratch 2200 miles away. Don’t think many people would do that and actually do something to make their lives better.

my wife and I dont particularly like trump but having lived over here through his presidency and then biden’s, we cannot believe anyone would vote for the dems. I know people feel that way about trump and us. We truly feel the last 4 years have really hurt this country and the world, and we were terrified of another 4 years of this, especially the open border and the bussing/flying of all the illegal immigrants to republican states. The cost of living has gone nuts, we’re middle class, but it’s a real squeeze now. Not only did we move across country, I had to stop being a teacher/educator. Went to moray house in Edinburgh and have been in schools since 1994, but life is so expensive now that I couldn’t afford to stay in that profession so had to find a whole new career at age 50, fuck!. The fact that education has gone to shit made it easier to leave and look for something else, but financially, the economy and what has happened under the dems forced me out of education.

i know I’m in the severe minority here but I don’t see trump and Vance as bad as others. Trump is an awful speaker but is often misquoted and lied about. While he can put through executive orders, there’s also a process as you all know and I don’t see him scrapping democracy, this being the last ever election, him being a modern hitler, banning abortion, him starting world war 3, him scrapping the constitution and staying on past another 4 years. I do see him focusing on finance because we send billions overseas when we are is so much debt plus we need to fix things domestically. He will make significant change in government leadership here, like he did 4 years ago. He’s a businessman and fired a lot of underperforming career politicians. Both the dems and republicans have their corrupt pocket lining politicians who don’t do much and they are terrified of trump. 

[tlg1903]

18 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Well you've spectacularly managed to miss my point, but fair enough, I'll respond. First, I couldn't give a fuck whether the democrats were elected or not, so I'd like to hope they weren't taking their campaign as seriously as I was. I don't think people who care about the issue are bigots, nor did I suggest that anywhere, I don't think the majority care at all, they simply get dragged into the "debate" by the press, social media and their respective sides of said debate. It's contrived, entirely. Because it's a side issue that has been elevated to the moon by weirdos - whipped up hysteria. You might be genuine in caring, it may be important to you or a family member, but the majority have simply been dragged along and forced to pick a side. 

Point 1: well, yes, that was my point 

Point 2: the issues that are more important than women getting raped in prison by men disguised as women are every other issue that regularly effects women in prison for the very reason that those things actually happen (I'm sure you can point to a single incident, perhaps two or three even). I'm also not getting irate about the lack of defence against bear attacks in women's prisons. It's a minor issue, which any competent government or private prison company should be able to deal with. The volume of men changing gender before committing a crime to go to prison and rape someone is manageable. Or if it isn't, then there is a lot worse happening in our prisons that we can't cope with. But let's be clear here, I'm not saying that I spend any time claiming to give a shite about issues that affect female prisoners, I absolutely don't. Just as I don't believe that the majority of people who suddenly feel strongly about men in women's prisons don't either. The point wasn't about me, nor about you. Because the people I talk to who suddenly seem to care about this issue are friends, family and colleagues who I absolutely know had zero interest in female prisoners before the crap-rags, talkshows and (to a lesser extent, because they don't have the reach) the opposing Green party weirdos decided to whip up a culture war. 

Point 3: you've basically provided more detail. Good work. I'm not quite sure what you mean by male supremacy movement, and I know that my kids aren't being indoctrinated in school (well, they are, but in something far more insidious), but otherwise I agree with your point - a side issue that has been elevated, as I said (obviously not a side issue for those with gender dysphoria, and their families, but everyone else).

Point 4: I agree with your position on gender, but I choose not to elevate it to anything beyond the side issue that it is. I don't care. There is no virtue signalling from me, because I'm not even taking a position, which I thought was fairly clear. I don't need a bureaucracy to tell me what gender is, and neither do most normal people. Just as I don't fall foul of "can't say anything these days", because I generally say what I like, and nobody really has a problem. To be honest, I'm surprised that anyone is genuinely surprised that the post modern system we live in wants to dictate what we do and don't believe is real. I live in the fucking suburbs, reality was stripped from my life a long time ago.

I'm get back to this properly when I get to a PC but I saw this this morning and thought I would pass it on. 

 

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

 

"

The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:

1. “Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24) 
2. “Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23) 
3. “Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17). 

This suggests that Harris was weighed down heavily by the Biden administration, particularly by inflation and their track record on immigration. Harris was also weighed down by voters’ belief that she focused on liberal cultural issues. In fact, this was the most frequent criticism among swing voters who broke for Trump (+28)." 

 

 

Clearly it wasn't a side issue for those folks. 

[Elgindon]

....and the fact she lied about having black heritage to appeal to the black vote,when in fact shes of Indian/Irish descent(we'll ignore the former slave owning aspect of her family for now).Candace Owens(like her or not) did a very good expose of Harris' actual roots

 Citizenship to illegal migrants,(ahead of those waiting in queue legally),sanctuary cities,decriminalizing crime,defunding the police,explicit literature in kids classrooms.

   Self destructive stuff

Edited Saturday at 14:15 by Elgindon

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, Elgindon said:

....and the fact she lied about having black heritage to appeal to the black vote,when in fact shes of Indian/Irish descent(we'll ignore the former slave owning aspect of her family for now).Candace Owens(like her or not) did a very good expose of Harris' actual roots

 Citizenship to illegal migrants,(ahead of those waiting in queue legally),sanctuary cities,decriminalizing crime,defunding the police,explicit literature in kids classrooms.

   Self destructive stuff

Her campaign was pretty much bash trump and try to scare people. She was asked a number of times what she would have done differently in the last 4 years and she stated she really wouldn’t have done anything differently which stunned many normal people who have really struggled with the last 4 years. Her messaging was that it would be more of the same. And that wasn’t what the majority of public needed or wanted.

late in her campaign the friction between her and Biden became apparent and she started to distance herself but it was too late. She tried to talk policies but could not get out messaging that people needed or wanted to hear. The fact she didn’t do press conferences, unscripted interviews, or generally talk like a normal person hurt her big time.
the dems in general are heading in the wrong direction to most here which is why I don’t believe any other dem candidate would be much different. Why a number of dems who dislike trump sided with and or voted trump. I think the number of people who voted dem is down, and they didn’t all vote trump or another candidate, they just couldn’t vote for more of the same. Post election the media have been asking if the dems will reflect and change their agenda to matters that the majority of the public are concerned about, the main three being economy, immigration, and crime. All three the dems have damaged. Back to Kamala, she scared the shit out of people with the way she ran things in California, and San Fran’s decline is partly her responsibility. Drugs, crime, homelessness, way up in what was a stunning city. Businesses are leaving San Fran and California because it has gone to shit. Lastly, when people saw things like her being interviewed saying she would be putting parents of truant children in jail for example, it became more apparent she is more of a radical left and people can accept.

Edited Saturday at 15:19 by OrlandoDon

[RicoS321]

 

2 hours ago, tlg1903 said:

I'm get back to this properly when I get to a PC but I saw this this morning and thought I would pass it on. 

 

https://blueprint2024.com/polling/why-trump-reasons-11-8/

 

"

The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:

1. “Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24) 
2. “Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23) 
3. “Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17). 

This suggests that Harris was weighed down heavily by the Biden administration, particularly by inflation and their track record on immigration. Harris was also weighed down by voters’ belief that she focused on liberal cultural issues. In fact, this was the most frequent criticism among swing voters who broke for Trump (+28)." 

 

 

Clearly it wasn't a side issue for those folks. 

Yes it was a side issue, that's exactly what your quote is saying and exactly what I've been saying. People think a side issue has been given too much airtime, I think a side issue has been given too much airtime. That happens in two. The first is when "progressive" politicians include buzzwords in every single policy and discussion. The second is when people say glib things like:

On 07/11/2024 at 15:44, RicoS321 said:

Most folks don't want to see males in women's sports and prisons

Trying to provoke a response (not necessarily in your case of course) and dragging all and sundry into a discussion that the overwhelming majority neither understand or genuinely care about. The result being another thing to fight over. Women's prison rights are a minor side issue that have received zero coverage around election time in my lifetime, until trans. 

[scotfree]

11 hours ago, OrlandoDon said:

For the most part I dont see it as a slagging match although it’s what I’ve been used to over here for years. For that reason I’m just really explaining my side but won’t get into the deeper convo of guns, abortion, immigration , the economy etc. You get extreme views from both sides, and it’s obviously a very passionate topic.
i do factor in where people live and do feel that if you don’t live here you dont fully understand what is happening. For that reason I will ask where you are getting your info and how much you’ve heard. If you watch fox or cnn here you hear about two very different countries, and both sides are extremely guilty of exaggerating, partial truths, and lies. id say it’s even like rangers fans across the world who have never lived in scotland or even Britain.. Don’t think they realize what rangers really are.

A lot of good happened under trump’s previous presidency which does not get publicized or talked about. You can point to things people didn’t like but that’s every government and leadership. As I repeatedly say, the democratic media machine has been awful over the last 4 years. Plenty of people also spout shite because they are simply negative and like to complain. We take it seriously and actually did something about it, quitting jobs, lives, selling up and starting from scratch 2200 miles away. Don’t think many people would do that and actually do something to make their lives better.

my wife and I dont particularly like trump but having lived over here through his presidency and then biden’s, we cannot believe anyone would vote for the dems. I know people feel that way about trump and us. We truly feel the last 4 years have really hurt this country and the world, and we were terrified of another 4 years of this, especially the open border and the bussing/flying of all the illegal immigrants to republican states. The cost of living has gone nuts, we’re middle class, but it’s a real squeeze now. Not only did we move across country, I had to stop being a teacher/educator. Went to moray house in Edinburgh and have been in schools since 1994, but life is so expensive now that I couldn’t afford to stay in that profession so had to find a whole new career at age 50, fuck!. The fact that education has gone to shit made it easier to leave and look for something else, but financially, the economy and what has happened under the dems forced me out of education.

i know I’m in the severe minority here but I don’t see trump and Vance as bad as others. Trump is an awful speaker but is often misquoted and lied about. While he can put through executive orders, there’s also a process as you all know and I don’t see him scrapping democracy, this being the last ever election, him being a modern hitler, banning abortion, him starting world war 3, him scrapping the constitution and staying on past another 4 years. I do see him focusing on finance because we send billions overseas when we are is so much debt plus we need to fix things domestically. He will make significant change in government leadership here, like he did 4 years ago. He’s a businessman and fired a lot of underperforming career politicians. Both the dems and republicans have their corrupt pocket lining politicians who don’t do much and they are terrified of trump. 

Not say it is a slagging match. Just don't want it to end up a slagging match. As I said, I've enjoyed reading the past few pages as It's good to see things from both sides.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tyrant]

On 09/11/2024 at 14:14, Elgindon said:

....and the fact she lied about having black heritage to appeal to the black vote,when in fact shes of Indian/Irish descent(we'll ignore the former slave owning aspect of her family for now).Candace Owens(like her or not) did a very good expose of Harris' actual roots

 Citizenship to illegal migrants,(ahead of those waiting in queue legally),sanctuary cities,decriminalizing crime,defunding the police,explicit literature in kids classrooms.

   Self destructive stuff

Got a source for any of that stuff?