DT Politics Thread

[rocket_scientist]

Eds Miliband and Balls are unelectable. The fact that Labour will get a third of the seats throughout the UK is a testament to habit, indoctrination and non-thinking. A system that is inherently corrupt and the absence of credible alternatives will drive some votes towards Labour but the idiots who vote Labour because their fathers and their grandfathers did and believing that they stand for something, even pretending that these public schoolboys represent socialist ideals and integrity are so thick it is arguable that they even have the intellectual capacity to vote. Balls himself is an intellectual gnat, as proved this week with his defective numeracy skills.

[donsdaft]

It will be a tory majority government.

Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

 

Could get interesting.

[Stupie82]

It will be a tory majority government.

Hopefully the SNP wipe the Labour party off the face of the map in Scotland.

 

Could get interesting.

 

Cant see a majority government myself. I think coalition governments are here to stay for a while yet, but yes could be very interesting indeed. The SNP are making waves up here and its interesting that despite many people voting 'no', they are still willing to back the SNP in an election. That to me speaks volumes. 

[manc_don]

Cant see a majority government myself. I think coalition governments are here to stay for a while yet, but yes could be very interesting indeed. The SNP are making waves up here and its interesting that despite many people voting 'no', they are still willing to back the SNP in an election. That to me speaks volumes. 

 

Agreed, no way will it be a majority tory government. A lot of people are pissed off down here, which concerns me that it will be a Tory and UKIP coalition but I am hoping that I'm wrong. Even more reason for getting a strong government north of the border to make sure no-one takes any of the nonsense coming from Westminster.

[tom_widdows]

Has something happened in the 2 weeks i've been out of the country?

The idea of a Tory/UKIP coalition was ludicrous to me when I left but in the last couple of days Ive seen a few people bringing it up.

 

I doubt UKIP will actually keep the seat they got in that by-election let alone get enough to allow the Tories or Labour etc to just have them as their coalition partner.

 

As I see it there are only 4 parties with big enough exiting support to form a 2 party coalition and UKIP aint one of them

 

 

[manc_don]

Tom the only ones spouting this nonsense about UKIP are sky news. As you know up in Scotland there is 0 / Nil support for this racist nugget in the UKIP party. You will see during the GE UKIP's vote more or less increase constituent of 0-4% which is nothing to even yap about.

 

only reason hes in the news is to try take votes away from labour down south. Our main hope is that the SNP have enough seats to assist whoever is there to take power. The SNP have made it loud and clear if milliband wants number 10 and needs our support he has it. But his own party still believe they can swing the votes in tory areas which they will not.

 

I'm not so sure, I thought Cameron was quoted last saying he would happily consider it and they are gaining plenty of support in England. ukip aren't big enough to do it yet, but the lib dems are dead. Its going to be one helluva interesting election.  Just hope people turn up for a change.

[tom_widdows]

My question is where are UKIP going to get the votes to actually get a single seat?

 

As i see it traditional Lib Dems are not and never will be UKIP supporters and will be switching to the greens, Independants or go tactical.

 

Labour may lose a few votes to UKIP but I see their existing support being hell bent on stopping another 5 years of Tory rule so will stick to the red.

 

Little to non existant UKIP support in SNP areas.

 

Can't see the Welshies switching from their Nationals or Labour.

 

That leaves UKIP stealing votes from their right wing brothers which would be Tory, BNP, EDL and all that bullshit but thanks to the FPTP system that surely plays into the hands of Tory seat rivals.

 

There is the chance the 34.9% of the UK who didnt bother last time might show up and throw their support behind farage and co but I'm not holding my breath that they will.

[tom_widdows]

its got to be the worst system politically ever, that just 33-40% of the vote gives you a government.

 

why doesnt the rest form one?

 

A little fact the 'pro-alternative vote' campaign completely failed to get across.

 

 

[Stupie82]

Jim Murphy just committed political suicide... spoke of how when he watches his football team (celtic) he expects them to win. This was in line with him always going into a competition to win. Muppet 

 

The debate is more of a debate this week, however the people in the crowd asking the questions sound like they couldnt take a piss with out wetting the front of their troosers.

 

 

[Tyrant]

I watched a wee bit of this last night between Game of Thrones episodes. And it boiled my piss. 

 

The wee fucking fanny asking Sturgeon if she still wanted independence and when she dared reply "yes" he whined about how the Scottish people had spoken and that we shouldn't have another referendum. Fine. He's entitled to his opinion but what annoyed me was that through all of this Sturgeon was saying that it wouldn't be her that decides that and that it would be up to the people of Scotland. Whether you believe her or not is not the point. The point is the question was asked and answered. Fucking move on. But whilst all this was happening the slimy prick that was moderating the thing was getting his tuppenceworth too. And he was constantly interrupting her answers. They really are terrified of being asked the question again! Not that I believe for a second that it would be a different result if we were. Let's fucking forget about independence for the time being and focus on this general election for the United Kingdom!!!! (Gads)

[manc_don]

Is it worth a watch? Jim Murphy seems hell bent on committing political suicide these days, pretty much sums up Labour in Scotland though.

 

Noticed this today, did amuse me

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/photo-fail-nigel-farage-ukip-5478349

 

 

 

Going round with Joey Essex, pretty much sums up UKIP.

[Garlogie_Granite]

Tories launch their manifesto against a backdrop of "The Party for the working man".

 

Ye couldna mak it up 

[manc_don]

Anyone else watching the debate tonight?

 

Edit: Sturgeon coming across very well and getting plenty of applause.

 

Housing should be a massive topic, far more important than immigration imo. Sick to death of the amount of housing here in London that gets sold off to the Arabs / Chinese and russians. The housing crisis is caused by estate agents and estate agents alone. Fuckers.

[hilton]

aye watching it .  sturgeon just seems as though she is a level above them.

[manc_don]

aye watching it .  sturgeon just seems as though she is a level above them.

 

She exposed Milliband and made Farage look like the village idiot he is. Problem is, he isn't targeting the studio audience, but the numskull sat at home worried because he can smell curry from next door. I think he's a bit like the English rugby team, very good at what he does but absolutely loathsome and thinks he's better than he is.

 

It's good to see Sturgeon coming to the forefront of the rest of the british mind. Handled herself very well over the past two debates.

[rocket_scientist]

Yet again the women spake sense and the men are proven to be totally insane.

[Stupie82]

She exposed Milliband and made Farage look like the village idiot he is. Problem is, he isn't targeting the studio audience, but the numskull sat at home worried because he can smell curry from next door. I think he's a bit like the English rugby team, very good at what he does but absolutely loathsome and thinks he's better than he is.

 

It's good to see Sturgeon coming to the forefront of the rest of the british mind. Handled herself very well over the past two debates.

 

She puts herself across very well and i think she benefits from the lack of 'smugness' that came with Salmond. I was a Salmond fan but i am very much a Nicola one now.

 

Farage is a first class penis. From what i can make of him, everything that is wrong with this country is down to immigrants. Thankfully only a complete divot would buy into his shite and its mainly the keyboard warriors that give him any sort of backing, but the danger is that if the Lab and Cons continue to balls it up then it gives UKIP more support. A protest vote they may be, but some of the public can be very fickle and protests votes can give them a platform to spout their rubbish. Despite as surge in popularity, i actually think UKIP will bomb at the election.

[rocket_scientist]

I agree that Farage is penile and that UKIP attract divot votes. I also expect them to bomb at the election.

 

But one thing I do agree with him is on Europe. I wanted a truly independent Scotland, out of the demands and the expense of the EEC but knew that was never going to happen.

 

When Farage as a MEP attacked the system in that famous speech, I was hugely optimistic that here was a guy who said it like it is and had the balls to confront the real issue facing global politics. So him turning into such an insular racist knob was disappointing. He's also a divisive cunt, his continuing use of Hadrian's wall being a low blow, deliberately engineered.

[Stupie82]

I agree that Farage is penile and that UKIP attract divot votes. I also expect them to bomb at the election.

 

But one thing I do agree with him is on Europe. I wanted a truly independent Scotland, out of the demands and the expense of the EEC but knew that was never going to happen.

 

When Farage as a MEP attacked the system in that famous speech, I was hugely optimistic that here was a guy who said it like it is and had the balls to confront the real issue facing global politics. So him turning into such an insular racist knob was disappointing. He's also a divisive cunt, his continuing use of Hadrian's wall being a low blow, deliberately engineered.

 

I think Farage needs a lesson on what lies north of Hadrians wall, as he clearly thinks the wall is the border between the two countries. Just another reason why i cant take the man seriously. His anti-Scottish rhetoric doesnt sit well with me either and the constant berating of non-Brits is tiring also. If he could put forward his arguments without blaming it on immigrants, then one could begin to sympathise, but instead he comes across like a raving lunatic, out of touch with reality.

 

Despite the fact that the SNP wanted independence, they didnt want to be leave the EU. I support that and IMO the benefits of the EU outweigh the negatives of it. Farage and UKIP just dont appeal to me and never will, hence my negativity towards him.

[rocket_scientist]

The cost of this additional tier of government in Brussels alone outweighs any benefit. The rest of Europe will continue to trade with Scotland if we were not in the EEC. It's a wholly political alliance. Trade and economic alliances would remain irrespective of EEC membership.

[manc_don]

I think Farage needs a lesson on what lies north of Hadrians wall, as he clearly thinks the wall is the border between the two countries. Just another reason why i cant take the man seriously. His anti-Scottish rhetoric doesnt sit well with me either and the constant berating of non-Brits is tiring also. If he could put forward his arguments without blaming it on immigrants, then one could begin to sympathise, but instead he comes across like a raving lunatic, out of touch with reality.

 

Despite the fact that the SNP wanted independence, they didnt want to be leave the EU. I support that and IMO the benefits of the EU outweigh the negatives of it. Farage and UKIP just dont appeal to me and never will, hence my negativity towards him.

 

This pretty much sums up how I feel, although I also think he could do with a good kicking    But that's by the by. I just can't take anything he says seriously, but the problem is there are a lot of stupid people in this country that will swallow his rhetoric.  Don't get me wrong, there are a couple of the UKIP policies which make more sense than what other parties are proposing and he is charismatic, however the majority of what of it is just what the Tories wish they could say.

 

I saw a couple of poll's this morning where they showed him coming up in third place last night, which I find baffling.  He was completely shown up and had barely any applause from the audience, which says a lot in itself.  Thought Ed Milliband came across a bit weak at times and had their vague policies exposed.

 

Dimbleby was far better than that woman a couple of weeks ago imo my opinion. Only once did it get out of hand and he swiftly hammered them for it.

[Kowalski]

Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?

[Andrew]

Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?

 

It's the leaders debate. None of them are standing in my seat so she is just as relevant than the rest of them.

[Garlogie_Granite]

Should Sturgeon really be in these debates seeing as she's not standing in the election?

Well, Ed Miliband isn't in "Scottish" labour (LOL) so we canna vote for him either

[Stupie82]

Well, Ed Miliband isn't in "Scottish" labour (LOL) so we canna vote for him either

 

Thank christ 

 

Mind you, Ed Mil or Jim the tim... tough een... well nae really, wouldnt vote Labour ever anyway