Naming the six training pitches

[Slim]

Typically what would be the chances of getting a relaxation on the height restriction a couple of years down the line after the local opposition has quietened down a bit?

[tom_widdows]

Typically what would be the chances of getting a relaxation on the height restriction a couple of years down the line after the local opposition has quietened down a bit?

 

You need an additional separate Planning application if you wish to remove or change a condition(s) on an approved permission.

This of course allows for new objections from neighbours and/or the general public so you would need to have a fairly detailed justification to apply for it.

 

I've only skim read the planning documents and conditions but I didnt see anything about height restrictions and it seems bizarre to impose such a measure on a site in a semi-rural location. If the site was in the city centre or an established built up area i could understand it.

Only mention of heights seems to be raising the ground levels to avoid potential flood issues.

 

Does anyone have a link to a document which mentions this height restriction?

 

 

 

[Ten Caat]

Can't be arsed looking to see where in the approval it is mentioned but heres the bit of the application that mentions it

 

and Sport Facilities, Football Academy And Stadium (Circa 20,000 Capacity), Formation Of Access And All Associated Parking, Landscaping And Engineering Works’ on land at West Kingsford (north of the A944 Road), Skene Road, Aberdeen.

 

Stadium 3.2 The proposed 20,000 capacity, all-seated stadium would be located to the western part of the site, approximately 50m from its southern boundary and 100m from its western boundary respectively. The stadium itself would measure approximately 180 metres by 145 metres, achieving a height of just over 20m and an overall footprint of approximately 24,250sqm. The stadium would be sited approximately 17 degrees off an east-west orientation, with its stands encircling the pitch completely, including the four corners. Seating within the stadium would be laid out in a single-tier ‘bowl’ arrangement.

 

3.3 The stadium’s exterior would be finished in dark grey facing brick at low level, set slightly back from the coloured polycarbonate cladding to walls above. These vertical cladding panels, in shades of red through to white, are translucent and would create a subtle red glow from within the internally lit concourse areas at night. This translucency would also allow for diffuse natural light to illuminate the concourse during hours of daylight. 

 

3.4 Externally, the south stand incorporates silver/grey aluminium rainscreen cladding which is extruded out from the face of the remainder of that elevation to surround an extensively glazed face, framed by a darker grey cladding. This glazed frontage takes advantage of the southern elevation and allows light in to hospitality suites and other internal spaces.

 

3.5 The south-east corner of the stadium includes a projecting section, clad in the same polycarbonate vertical cladding in shades of red and white. This extruded corner identifies the club shop at ground floor level, and its outer face above is identifies as a potential location for signage, with the club crest embossed into the cladding panels and softly illuminated from within. 

 

3.6 Floodlighting to illuminate the playing surface is incorporated within the design of the stadium roof, angled downwards to reduce light spillage outwith the arena. The roof itself is angled at 11 degrees, achieving a height of 21m from the pitch to the underside of the roof cladding material. It would be finished with a silver aluminium cladding panel, with exposed steelwork above and below to be painted white. To the rear of the seated tier a translucent polycarbonate panelling would be used to allow in diffuse light. The seating within the single-tier stand would comprise three ‘rakes’, with seating becoming steeper from pitchside to the rear of the stand incrementally, at 2

[tom_widdows]

Unless the height detailed in the applicaiton was as a result of initial discussions with the Planners then we can't actually establish if there is a formal 21m restriction on the site.

Once you put dimensions on a planning drawing/ statement you are legally bound by them (there is a little bit of lee-way (mm)) so ideally at planning stage you want to leave yourself a bit of leeway by designing slightly bigger than is required.

 

I'm a bit concerned at the suggestion the 21m might now be an issue when it is something that could and indeed should have been sorted before the application was submitted.

[Panda]

Unless the height detailed in the applicaiton was as a result of initial discussions with the Planners then we can't actually establish if there is a formal 21m restriction on the site.

Once you put dimensions on a planning drawing/ statement you are legally bound by them (there is a little bit of lee-way (mm)) so ideally at planning stage you want to leave yourself a bit of leeway by designing slightly bigger than is required.

 

I'm a bit concerned at the suggestion the 21m might now be an issue when it is something that could and indeed should have been sorted before the application was submitted.

 

The suggestion of a height restriction came from those at the meeting last week with Cormack and Wicks. They said they were hearing lots of fans say they want the stands to be steeper, but due to height restrictions they would try their best but could only do so much. These height restrictions they say came from the "local authorities".

 

Unrelated: They also said safe standing costs three times as much as normal seating, and so those present were asked if they would prefer a 17,000 stadium with standing, or a 20,000 one without - to which apparently everyone picked the former.

 

But back to the height...

 

 

The planning documents are on this site:-

 

https://www.kingsfordstadium.co.uk/

 

I'm no Mike Ross (suits reference), but from reading it I don't ever recall seeing a height restriction officially in any of the submissions. However, in the design and access statement from January 2017, where the architects explain all the different changes they made (stadium originally was at a 90 degree angle to the one in the plans) there are two bits that say:-

 

Following the feedback received during the pre-application Public Consultation, the heights of the stands were reduced with the internal seating layout refined to provide the same seating numbers

 

And

 

The roof of the Stadium has been raised from 6 degrees to 11 degrees to a height of 21 metres from the pitch to the underside of the roof cladding. The roof of the original scheme was approximately 24 metres from the pitch, however, due to the reduction in the steel frame of the stands, the revised roof edge height of 18.5 metres was too low for the proposed stadium lighting to work, creating an unacceptable glare for the supporters and players.