Coronavirus

[rocket_scientist]

I have to say, i've been thoroughly impressed with how the government has acted throughout the process

 

This is great to hear. It gives me hope for humanity.

 

It's also something that I'm sure that nobody in the UK has said nor can say. In hindsight, the "errors" (mostly of omission) will become clear to the majority but the underlying reasons as to why our government reacted as badly as it did needs to be exposed.

[rocket_scientist]

So the tests go into the shops next week then and that could be it for a lot of folks? Back to normal? Will we see a rush of folk trying to get the virus to get it over and done with? I survived the Corona Virus t-shirts ready for shipping?

 

Testing is testing. The infection is the infection. There is no point in trying to get it (particularly as a vaccine should become available), that would just be dumb but I appreciate you weren't advocating this and yes, some people are so thick they might feel like that.

 

It's what we do with test results that matters. Some countries have been testing on a wide scale. Our testing of the population percentage thus far must rank amongst the worst in Europe. Data tracking is key and indeed the technology has existed for a while. Unknown to me until recently, my wife and daughter no. 2 were amongst the 29,000+ participants for the Contagion: A BBC 4 Pandemic programme. China quickly developed an App to monitor social contacts and successfully "flattened the curve", so much so that they are imminently (if not already) releasing the lockdown measures which provides another great learning opportunity regarding reinfection rates etc.

 

Unless you're Idris Elba who paid £350 odd for a test or you're Prince Charles - who probably paid fuck all and for some bizarre reason seems to be the lead story of almost every news item just now - we don't know and can't know if we have it or not. The only UK citizens who do know have been tested on admission to hospital, to be treated by our doctors and nurses (including my wife) who still do not know whether or not they themselves are spreaders. That's what makes the government rhetoric of "ramping up" our testing so sick. They're ONLY testing the sick and there's more of them getting admitted, exponentially so. The results from testing to diagnosis are currently no less than 24 hours by the way. We have lost so much time and so many opportunities to learn, not to mention the utter idiocy of failing to act on WHO advice and other countries telling us their experiences until it's too late. The shit hitting the fan is coming in the next month and it's already started in the NHS, as Channel 4 News will highlight once again tonight unlike the BBC.

 

[rocket_scientist]

We are hoping that our daughter in Glasgow can be home tonight, which will swell our household to 50% of our kids. Our eldest daughter is alone in her flat in Clapham - because her flatmate is stuck abroad and her fiancé flew back to HK on Sunday (where he was immediately quarantined in his flat and provided with an electronic tag for 14 days to ensure he stays there) - and given that London is the hotspot for this disease right now, she's probably at the highest risk amongst our kids.

 

Here's an example that NHS and human incompetence isn't exclusive to the hardest hit regions. As they clear ARI of non-essential cases, a paramedic was instructed to transport a patient to a community hospital in the NE yesterday. When he got him there, he was met by staff in full PPE which was surprise to him as the staff in ARI didn't have it and yet, they were the meant to be first port of call for Covid-19. It transpired that he had been transporting a patient who was currently Covid-positive, which he didn't know and yet the receiving staff did. It appears that simple communication, let alone necessary communication, is still something beyond most people.

[RicoS321]

Aye, Rocket, I was referring to the new test that's being released for sale in Boots and Amazon next week (apparently). It is a quick test (apparently), with fast production in the millions (apparently) possible in short time scales. Thus, you pass, and you're free to do what you want. I'm guessing that there is nothing going to be in place to prove that you have passed and thus people just simply lie about having passed and go back to work or to the shops or whatever.

[rocket_scientist]

They just debunked the Amazon/Boots next week thing on the daily briefing as they now need to test the tests.

 

It's the sloganeering that kills me. Strong and stable, take back control, get Brexit done were their previous but we will beat it, together got put out an extraordinary number of times just now and whatever it takes + Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives is the continuous mantra. I don't mind the mantra as it can't do any harm to repeat the basics but there are much more effective ways to get results than parrot repetition of the exact same words. The problem with sloganeering - whether for political purposes or for policy - is that whilst some of the morons might swallow it, the thinking classes recognise the sloganeering and it's demeaning, further widening trust between politicians and people.

[rocket_scientist]

In Scotland, the number of patients on ventilators more than doubled today v. yesterday.

[minijc]

That "get Brexit done" was just a dog whistle for the thick and uneducated which won them the election at a canter due to how dumb the little Englanders are.

 

Anyways away from that shit show this is rather interesting, I, like many others will have known people that were extremely ill around Christmas time so there maybe is something to it  https://www.ft.com/content/5ff6469a-6dd8-11ea-89df-41bea055720b?desktop=true&segmentId=d8d3e364-5197-20eb-17cf-2437841d178a

[rocket_scientist]

Anyways away from that shit show this is rather interesting, I, like many others will have known people that were extremely ill around Christmas time so there maybe is something to it

 

Agree re the Get Brexit Done slogan. I knew it was a clever strategy at the time, although the weakness of Corbyn and particularly the unfair and unethical character assassination job done on him was probably the bigger factor.

 

On this though, that article is invisible because it's subscription. As I already said on here though, we are convinced our virologist daughter was infected with Covid-19 in December, before the virus was known about.

[RicoS321]

I was absolutely floored in January with the flu. Like nothing I've ever experienced. 5 days of being wiped out, and another 5 to recover. Was still struggling sporadically for a couple of weeks after. As was my daughter. Wife, not so much but a few days off work. In-laws too. If it turns out we were Corona'd, then I'd be pretty happy. Of course, it doesn't make sense that it would be unless the number of infections are exceptionally high (which the article suggests), as like all good heroes, we were all back at work infecting folk well within any 14 day period. That being said, I probably took at least 3 days off longer than I normally would as I was pretty concerned that I might pass what I think/thought was the flu to anyone else as it was whooring bad. It seems negligent if it was Corona Virus like, that's a lot of folk infected and - presumably - a lot of folk with an incorrect classification on their death certificates?

[rocket_scientist]

Not necessarily Rico. We know it's contagious but we don't know exactly how the infection is spread. None of us caught it, including her elder sister with whom she shared a bed for five days. We reckon that transmission would only happen if the infected coughs directly on another or onto a surface that someone else then touches but it's still way too early to know.

[rocket_scientist]

The UK death rate today hasn't been announced yet despite it always having been stated before 6.30 or 7 in the last couple of weeks. There will be a reason for this and whatever it is, I'm not feeling positive about it.

[RicoS321]

Not necessarily Rico. We know it's contagious but we don't know exactly how the infection is spread. None of us caught it, including her elder sister with whom she shared a bed for five days. We reckon that transmission would only happen if the infected coughs directly on another or onto a surface that someone else then touches but it's still way too early to know.

 

We don't know exactly how it's spread, but we do know that it spreads like a motherfucker. It would seem unlikely that a family in the UK (mine/yours/other folks') would be less likely to spread it than anywhere else in the world or the UK of today. I'm guessing there's only a couple of degrees of separation between us, being local loons, so you would expect a fair number of folk to be infected in this region alone. To the extent that it would have registered you'd have thought? Or to the extent that at least one person would have died from it and some form of testing done on them? Or do we not test if it's an al' or ill person?

[Kowalski]

The UK death rate today hasn't been announced yet despite it always having been stated before 6.30 or 7 in the last couple of weeks. There will be a reason for this and whatever it is, I'm not feeling positive about it.

 

Announced now. Half the number from yesterday!! Suspect that may be a blip but could be considered a “good day”.

[rocket_scientist]

Announced now. Half the number from yesterday!! Suspect that may be a blip but could be considered a “good day”.

 

I saw they announced 28 in England, which would indeed be a good day. Just strange that the UK number hasn't been announced plus the timing of the announcement is strange, being late and out of character.

 

Edit: 41 UK today apparently so a very good day

[Kowalski]

I’m sure it’s 41 down from 87.

[CtS]

Government possibly worried a ‘good day’ will hinder the lockdown process which the masses are only recently buying in to?

[rocket_scientist]

Government possibly worried a ‘good day’ will hinder the lockdown process which the masses are only recently buying in to?

 

Yeah it's always a good day when almost three and a half dozen kick the bucket.

[rocket_scientist]

Interestingly one of the NHS group chats that my wife is part of are talking about the timing and the content of the UK death announcement today.

 

Personally I think today is proof of the genius of Sir Patrick and a vindication of the outstanding management conducted by Matt and Blow Job. Trump was right. It's like a miracle how this is just going to disappear.

[rocket_scientist]

Nadhim Tory cunt getting nailed on Newsnight just now.

 

His constant use of "ramping up" has just been exposed by Emily.

 

Awesome stuff Emily. This cunt is fuck all v. Randy Andy.

[rocket_scientist]

A further tragic indictment of the government's absolute incompetence thus far was their plea for our manufacturing industry to make respirators. A sane government would fund the extra capacity requirements of existing respirator manufacturers and would know that car makers and others, who have never produced highly specialised medical equipment are incapable of getting up to speed in the required time. One of the biggest acts of gross stupidity in political history.

 

Unfortunately I gave the government too much credit. It wasn't stupidity but way more sinister than that.

 

The announcement that Dyson has been awarded a 10,000 ventilator contract wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that he was a massive Brexit supporter would it?

 

Andrew Raynor of MEC Medical answered the call from the government and was ignored, as revealed on Newsnight last night. I don't get why Hancock wouldn't have gone to existing specialists in the field FIRST.

[Elgindon]

Thoughts on this?  https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=4725dcc4b8208dd39c3832912322c5754d8905f0-1585233996-0-AXgnp9BA0sR2N1_lYNVo4MXLhR2XgOXfCcvhK25DVPJYtju8EUekWMGsfpaOxRgDaddO3rff9M2QzGO3fVgOB0I0_UudL8qZ0vhiVsWD3KddBCcpBJM02BiEYbYPMi-DRsx-nE5ckqQf8DRrJqTMNUwzWawbun873pHYqs0Y8Fp5eWPf7XC4OhGrgD3MDVos7YvGzLBc4D3Nj4SD4hRUg6ODXCLmUKnkTdxtaUlyGrK9TpqQOrapW6iaS85dgNw6RVI8EODzW7yICLtqz2SvtP6EdxjNoZxiP2CrycIzljVAKEk6jVNNdROMPnb0JTEao7308bSLckLpbQkKhIIEpx00-STjkej2ZkfiQmhZhKoe

 

…..and a good listen on the Joe Rogan show if you've time

[minijc]

Unfortunately I gave the government too much credit. It wasn't stupidity but way more sinister than that.

 

The announcement that Dyson has been awarded a 10,000 ventilator contract wouldn't be anything to do with the fact that he was a massive Brexit supporter would it?

 

Andrew Raynor of MEC Medical answered the call from the government and was ignored, as revealed on Newsnight last night. I don't get why Hancock wouldn't have gone to existing specialists in the field FIRST.

The guy from G tech hoovers had designed one and offered to them the government as well, no surprise that's all ignored and it's jobs for the boys again.

[rocket_scientist]

It was indeed a blip yesterday. 113 deaths in the last day.

 

As we discovered earlier today, England decided to change the time in the day when they count them. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have been reporting as normal.

[rocket_scientist]

Thoughts on this?  https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/24/12-experts-questioning-the-coronavirus-panic/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=4725dcc4b8208dd39c3832912322c5754d8905f0-1585233996-0-AXgnp9BA0sR2N1_lYNVo4MXLhR2XgOXfCcvhK25DVPJYtju8EUekWMGsfpaOxRgDaddO3rff9M2QzGO3fVgOB0I0_UudL8qZ0vhiVsWD3KddBCcpBJM02BiEYbYPMi-DRsx-nE5ckqQf8DRrJqTMNUwzWawbun873pHYqs0Y8Fp5eWPf7XC4OhGrgD3MDVos7YvGzLBc4D3Nj4SD4hRUg6ODXCLmUKnkTdxtaUlyGrK9TpqQOrapW6iaS85dgNw6RVI8EODzW7yICLtqz2SvtP6EdxjNoZxiP2CrycIzljVAKEk6jVNNdROMPnb0JTEao7308bSLckLpbQkKhIIEpx00-STjkej2ZkfiQmhZhKoe

 

…..and a good listen on the Joe Rogan show if you've time

 

Finally got round to listening to it all.

 

So refreshing to listen to a real expert.

 

Great find. Thanks for sharing.

[Kowalski]

BoJo has it!