Dees vs dons

[RicoS321]

2 minutes ago, Madbadteacher said:

I wonder, has Glass got the strength to admit it and quit?

He wouldn't even change formation, do I doubt he'd quit.

[tom_widdows]

Flashbacks to a 2-1 defeat at partick circa 2000 when Leon Mike pulled one back

[wokinginashearerwonderland]

[BigAl]

1 hour ago, Madbadteacher said:

I wonder, has Glass got the strength to admit it and quit?

Nope

Can't help but wonder who the other outstanding candidates were and who amongst them is still available ? 

[wee toon red]

Glass out.

[Panda]

Big difference between us and then tonight.

Charlie Adam - he did everything-defended, made tackles, made passes, and took shots on only when they were actually on.

Compare that to Lewis Ferguson. Collects a pass, ignores everyone, takes a shot from distance that generally goes wide - something he's doing every game.

He's not playing for the team, he's playing for himself. Doesn't want to be here, wants the headlines. Even his dad didn't predict an Aberdeen win on the BBC predictor - if he doesn't believe his son's team are going to turn it around what does that say?

As an aside, another game where we improved when Niall McGinn came on.

 

[HaarDon]

Said it ages ago...Ferguson is pish.

 

No idea how anyone values him.

If we still get an offer anywhere around $400k for him , we should take it (and that would be great business).

Oh and btw...Fuck off Glass.

[manc_don]

Well, I did wake up in time for this, but opted not to bother when I saw it was 1-0 them. This is absolute dog shite. 

[scotfree]

Glass is a constant 25% win manager. He had a 23% win percentage (38 games) with Atlanta 2. His interim term with the Atlanta first team (19 games) was 26%. With us (27 games) he has a 27% win rate. Mark McGhee had a win percentage of 27% after 62 games and Alex Miller was 25% after 43 games. Does Cormack give Glass another 30/40 games to turn this around? I have a horrible feeling that he may get more than that regardless how bad we are.  St Mirren, who are in 7th place are now 6 points ahead of us... That's scary. 

[HaarDon]

As soon as we went out the cup we were doomed.

[RedKev]

Ye think someone has had a word with Glass about this sideways possession based football. He needs to change his philosophy on this and adopt far more direct play.
Current system is so slow and boring to watch. We only started playng with urgency arounf 70mins..Shocking

[RicoS321]

9 hours ago, Panda said:

Big difference between us and then tonight.

Charlie Adam - he did everything-defended, made tackles, made passes, and took shots on only when they were actually on.

Compare that to Lewis Ferguson. Collects a pass, ignores everyone, takes a shot from distance that generally goes wide - something he's doing every game.

He's not playing for the team, he's playing for himself. Doesn't want to be here, wants the headlines. Even his dad didn't predict an Aberdeen win on the BBC predictor - if he doesn't believe his son's team are going to turn it around what does that say?

As an aside, another game where we improved when Niall McGinn came on.

 

Agree about McGinn.

However, I'm far more concerned about Brown than Ferguson. He's been good in a few games this season, but overall been average. Last night he was honking and being outplayed by Adam who he was directly up against (unlike Ferguson). I said it when we signed Brown, his best attribute was getting in people's faces, winning the ball and being fit. He hasn't been the guy advancing forward with the ball, making amazing passes, moving the ball quickly and taking the odd shot. He's not the ageing pirlo or modric. He's just ageing. He's not even Barry Robson. I think he's beginning to see it too, as are his teammates and most certainly the opposition. Look at what Adam offered his team and his fellow midfielders last night, it was night and day from Brown. He brought others into the game, quickly moved the ball on, used his attributes to their limits. Brown doesn't have any attributes to offer us anymore and that should have been obvious when he was playing for the Tims last season. He's nowhere near the level Shinnie was when he left us a few seasons back and that's the standard we should be aiming for at Aberdeen, or have a player that's capable of working towards that. For the money, we should have got someone far better, with far more of a future ahead of them. Brown is by no means poor, but he's not good enough to do what we're expecting of him (and he's suffering from our failed setup as much as everyone else).

It's difficult to estimate how poor a signing it was to be honest. It reeked of inexperience and insecurity. Compare it to the signing of Robson by McInnes. McInnes kept it professional, signing a guy with fantastic qualities and making him a part of a team that McInnes was firmly in control of. He didn't make him captain, he didn't bow to his demands at being an assistant or a coach without evidence (I can guarantee that it was discussed and McInnes will have said it was a possibility if he proved himself, which he subsequently has). That allowed us to drop and recall Robson as and when required and use him as an example for guys like Jack to learn from and he bossed around by. He was used as a transitional pawn to take us from the Brown era to something better, with an improved Jack, Shinnie, McLean and even Ferguson following on from. That's what managers do, they don't build some guy up into some sort of superstar who's going to blow everyone else out of the water (see McGhee with Hartley). 

It shows the absolute naivety of the manager and the chairman. Where does Cormack go from here? Sack Glass, but keep Brown? Insist that Brown retains his place in any future management team? Demote Brown to player only? Sack Brown alongside Glass, leaving the rest of the team bitter and a bit rudderless? We've played ourselves into such an obvious hole, it's embarrassing. That's what "the process" has done for us.

Ferguson's a young lad, struggling in a formation that doesn't suit him in a place he doesn't want to be. He's a sideshow.

 

[Panda]

2 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Agree about McGinn.

However, I'm far more concerned about Brown than Ferguson. He's been good in a few games this season, but overall been average. Last night he was honking and being outplayed by Adam who he was directly up against (unlike Ferguson). I said it when we signed Brown, his best attribute was getting in people's faces, winning the ball and being fit. He hasn't been the guy advancing forward with the ball, making amazing passes, moving the ball quickly and taking the odd shot. He's not the ageing pirlo or modric. He's just ageing. He's not even Barry Robson. I think he's beginning to see it too, as are his teammates and most certainly the opposition. Look at what Adam offered his team and his fellow midfielders last night, it was night and day from Brown. He brought others into the game, quickly moved the ball on, used his attributes to their limits. Brown doesn't have any attributes to offer us anymore and that should have been obvious when he was playing for the Tims last season. He's nowhere near the level Shinnie was when he left us a few seasons back and that's the standard we should be aiming for at Aberdeen, or have a player that's capable of working towards that. For the money, we should have got someone far better, with far more of a future ahead of them. Brown is by no means poor, but he's not good enough to do what we're expecting of him (and he's suffering from our failed setup as much as everyone else).

It's difficult to estimate how poor a signing it was to be honest. It reeked of inexperience and insecurity. Compare it to the signing of Robson by McInnes. McInnes kept it professional, signing a guy with fantastic qualities and making him a part of a team that McInnes was firmly in control of. He didn't make him captain, he didn't bow to his demands at being an assistant or a coach without evidence (I can guarantee that it was discussed and McInnes will have said it was a possibility if he proved himself, which he subsequently has). That allowed us to drop and recall Robson as and when required and use him as an example for guys like Jack to learn from and he bossed around by. He was used as a transitional pawn to take us from the Brown era to something better, with an improved Jack, Shinnie, McLean and even Ferguson following on from. That's what managers do, they don't build some guy up into some sort of superstar who's going to blow everyone else out of the water (see McGhee with Hartley). 

It shows the absolute naivety of the manager and the chairman. Where does Cormack go from here? Sack Glass, but keep Brown? Insist that Brown retains his place in any future management team? Demote Brown to player only? Sack Brown alongside Glass, leaving the rest of the team bitter and a bit rudderless? We've played ourselves into such an obvious hole, it's embarrassing. That's what "the process" has done for us.

Ferguson's a young lad, struggling in a formation that doesn't suit him in a place he doesn't want to be. He's a sideshow.

 

At the start of the season when we were playing well, Brown was getting most of the praise. I don't think he's playing great but he's very far from being the main problem in that team.

Brown's position in the team should be between the two centre halves, stepping into midfield when needed. We need an extra body in defence. It was something Brown was effective at earlier on in the season but he appears to be trying to push further forward in games. Just sit back and do the simple stuff min.

Problem is, if he does that we need the midfield ahead of him to take command. Ferguson and Ojo are both ineffectual. Jenks and Longstaff haven't done anything yet. JET is the best player out of the lot of them but just stands still.

One player I like the look of is Dundee United's Ian Harkes. Get Ferguson sold in January and use the money to get him and Jamie McGrath.

[sancho_panza]

I thought going into this season that we'd made the defence worse. Just about the only decent thing about us last season was that we looked fairly solid with Taylor, Considine and Hoban at the back. We've turned that into Bates/Gallagher/McCrorie with Gary Woods in goals. It isn't a great mystery why we're conceding more, we have substantially worse defenders.

Our problems really start from that. There's no point trying to reinvent the wheel when you can't defend properly. It reminds me a bit of McGhee who came in with grand plans to have us playing progressive football but mismanaged the defensive side of the team. It certainly isn't as bad as that yet and some of it wasn't the fault of Glass (e.g. Considine's injury) but teams that have loads of ineffective possession and cough up cheap goals on a regular basis end up in relegation battles.