Next manager

[Jute]

49 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

"Never go back"...

This. 
 

Plus can’t see McInnes working with Cormack even if Cormack was prepared to eat humble pie and offer him the job.

 

[Panda]

3 hours ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

The guy’s 12 points clear of us with a fraction of the budget we have, it’s a no brainer.

I mean, we do have four games in hand on Kilmarnock...

3 hours ago, wokinginashearerwonderland said:

We moved on because he had virtually no financial backing from Cormack, nothing close to what those following him have had.

No, we moved on because for three years he finished below teams with a smaller budget than him, we scored once in 17 games or something, he didn't give youth a chance (Calvin Ramsay and Jack Mackenzie made their debuts in the very first game after he left), he played the same tactic for seven years trying to recreate the 16/17 season, and many other reasons.

He is doing OKAY at Kilmarnock. Not great, not amazing, just okay. Is that our ambition, go get someone who is doing okay?

I don't even care if you're on the wind up, I'll bite anyway because his time has gone and we need to move on and find better.

 

[OrlandoDon]

1 hour ago, Panda said:

I mean, we do have four games in hand on Kilmarnock...

No, we moved on because for three years he finished below teams with a smaller budget than him, we scored once in 17 games or something, he didn't give youth a chance (Calvin Ramsay and Jack Mackenzie made their debuts in the very first game after he left), he played the same tactic for seven years trying to recreate the 16/17 season, and many other reasons.

He is doing OKAY at Kilmarnock. Not great, not amazing, just okay. Is that our ambition, go get someone who is doing okay?

I don't even care if you're on the wind up, I'll bite anyway because his time has gone and we need to move on and find better.

 

Perfectly said. He did somewhat well for us, provided top six stability again, we had some good memories, but we had to move away as we were going backwards, he peaked in 16/17. time to look for a new savior.

[BigAl]

Not advocating the return of McInnes but sick of hearing about the games we have in hand over others.

So the four games in hand on Killie how many of the twelve points and thirteen goal difference do we you fancy us to pick up ?

[Jute]

13 hours ago, BigAl said:

Not advocating the return of McInnes but sick of hearing about the games we have in hand over others.

So the four games in hand on Killie how many of the twelve points and thirteen goal difference do we you fancy us to pick up ?

We have won 5 out of 17 so far and can’t see us managing to win all 4 games in hand unless something changes quickly. Something needs to change and whether it’s Robson changing tactics and style of play or the club changing the manager something needs to change or we are going to get dragged into a fight to avoid a relegation play off place. 

[BigAl]

42 minutes ago, Jute said:

We have won 5 out of 17 so far and can’t see us managing to win all 4 games in hand unless something changes quickly. Something needs to change and whether it’s Robson changing tactics and style of play or the club changing the manager something needs to change or we are going to get dragged into a fight to avoid a relegation play off place. 

Couldn't agree more Jute

[RicoS321]

53 minutes ago, Jute said:

something needs to change or we are going to get dragged into a fight to avoid a relegation play off place

Just vote to ban plastic pitches and send Killie down, prevent Raith come up, or whatever. We're the Dons, we don't relegate.

[Jute]

5 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

Just vote to ban plastic pitches and send Killie down, prevent Raith come up, or whatever. We're the Dons, we don't relegate.

Suggested that to Killie supporting mate earlier but he pointed out that they are taking their plastic pitch up. Just have to hope Raith have no plans to take up theirs 

[BigAl]

On 29/10/2023 at 15:09, BigAl said:

Mmmm the clock is ticking on Robson.

Worst win percentage of any permanent Aberdeen manager.

Let's put that into context. Worse even than McGhee

Nae idea of who we might get, but the club should be already planning for what looks like an inevitable parting of the ways.

What's Robbie Neilson up to these days 

And here we are almost THREE MONTHS on and still plodding on with a complete buffon in charge blindly leading us from one shit show to the next

FFS how much more must we endure. I have actually given up commenting on match threads nowadays.

[OrlandoDon]

So we have 6 league wins in six months. How can our leadership justify keeping Robson? What is he doing right? What is he doing that gives us hope? What is he doing to tell cormack and co he’s clearly man for the job?? Glass had a style of play and wasn’t overly backed financially, Goodwin to an extent had one bad month, we’ve been gash most of the season. Being plucky losers in Europe isn’t that tag I want, cup runners up masked some shit league cup performances, can we please end this shit?

throwing it back out there, who is next in the hot seat? What’s John Collins doing these days? Was ahead of his time when he started coaching, fitness, nutrition, bringing a European approach that Scottish players struggled with. 

Edited January 27 by OrlandoDon

[RicoS321]

12 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

What’s John Collins doing these days?

Thick as shite bellend John Collins? Sacked from every job because the players disliked him because he was a total penis? Barely able to string a sentence together, atrocious pundit? Most irritating voice in the history of voices? That guy? I'd rather we offered Robson a 14 year deal.

[OrlandoDon]

3 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

Thick as shite bellend John Collins? Sacked from every job because the players disliked him because he was a total penis? Barely able to string a sentence together, atrocious pundit? Most irritating voice in the history of voices? That guy? I'd rather we offered Robson a 14 year deal.

Ha! The start of a conversation! So who would you suggest? We have to give life to this thread, I’d say Robson has us worse than Goodwin or glass.

[Panda]

John Collins - I think it says a lot that he hasn't been hired by anyone. Granted, he may not even be like looking. His last job in football (unless I'm missing something) was eight years ago as Celtic assistant. 

Alex Neil is similar. Fans only remember the good times (Hamilton and Norwich in his case). Sunderland and Stoke fans hate him and Charlton fans have scoffed at being linked to him - having seen more of his football than we have over the past few years.

I genuinely have no idea who we should go for. And I don't think the board do too.

My fear is Jack Ross. Has many admirers at the club, and was very close to getting it before Goodwin. They'll see his Newcastle academy role as a positive. 

 

[manc_don]

1 hour ago, Panda said:

John Collins - I think it says a lot that he hasn't been hired by anyone. Granted, he may not even be like looking. His last job in football (unless I'm missing something) was eight years ago as Celtic assistant. 

Alex Neil is similar. Fans only remember the good times (Hamilton and Norwich in his case). Sunderland and Stoke fans hate him and Charlton fans have scoffed at being linked to him - having seen more of his football than we have over the past few years.

I genuinely have no idea who we should go for. And I don't think the board do too.

My fear is Jack Ross. Has many admirers at the club, and was very close to getting it before Goodwin. They'll see his Newcastle academy role as a positive. 

 

Likewise Norwich with Neil. Most fans I suspect are only remembering his time in Scotland. He’s pish. We made the wrong call when there were a decent number of managers available and here we are, with an even shiter pool to look at. It’s going to be really interesting (hopefully for the right reasons), who we go for. Surely to fuck he doesn’t last the season.

[Jute]

Neil is hated by Sunderland fans for fucking off to Stoke when he had got them promotion and recruited the team for the Championship. His team actually played really good football and up until him leaving the way he did their fans loved him. 

[RicoS321]

I think we should go down the route of getting a proper manager like Hibs have done.

[manc_don]

10 hours ago, Jute said:

Neil is hated by Sunderland fans for fucking off to Stoke when he had got them promotion and recruited the team for the Championship. His team actually played really good football and up until him leaving the way he did their fans loved him. 

Wasn't he pish at PNE and Norwich (as well as Stoke)? 

[Jute]

1 hour ago, manc_don said:

Wasn't he pish at PNE and Norwich (as well as Stoke)? 

He got Norwich promoted so not sure he was hated. PNE hate all their managers.

[Slim]

Let’s face it, whoever the next manager is, he will either be someone untested at this level or someone experienced with a couple of turds on their CV. 

[OrlandoDon]

9 minutes ago, Slim said:

Let’s face it, whoever the next manager is, he will either be someone untested at this level or someone experienced with a couple of turds on their CV. 

Has to be the latter, although someone with a resume like mcinnes when he came to us is certainly acceptable. Been crying out for experience since glass, surely we can’t go young and mostly unproven for a fourth time in a row!

[Panda]

15 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

I think we should go down the route of getting a proper manager like Hibs have done.

Is Adam Montgomery their Stephen Glass?

A bit naive, trying to make something work with the wrong players, but maybe they do what we didn't do and trust the process?

They can't defend, that's their big problem. They also have a goalkeeper who is not Premiership level anymore.

But I like the way Montgomery is committed to 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers. Sometimes it's a bit of a mental 4-2-4, others it's 4-4-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1, but when they attack they're good.

There are clearly weaknesses to the way he's trying to play, but if he was our manager and we were having the season Hibs are having - I'd be more inclined to give him a chance until the end of the season than I currently am with Robson.

#BringBackGlass

[Jute]

5 hours ago, Panda said:

Is Adam Montgomery their Stephen Glass?

A bit naive, trying to make something work with the wrong players, but maybe they do what we didn't do and trust the process?

They can't defend, that's their big problem. They also have a goalkeeper who is not Premiership level anymore.

But I like the way Montgomery is committed to 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers. Sometimes it's a bit of a mental 4-2-4, others it's 4-4-1-1 or a 4-2-3-1, but when they attack they're good.

There are clearly weaknesses to the way he's trying to play, but if he was our manager and we were having the season Hibs are having - I'd be more inclined to give him a chance until the end of the season than I currently am with Robson.

#BringBackGlass

What do you think this is a BBC Scotland  article?

[RicoS321]

5 hours ago, Panda said:

But I like the way Montgomery is committed to 4-4-2 with two wingers and two strikers.

That's because you're not a Hibs fan. My mate described it as a ridiculous obsession with a 4-4-2, that he refuses to change even when it's clear it's not working and doesn't suit many of the players. Which, sounds familiar.

[manc_don]

34 minutes ago, RicoS321 said:

That's because you're not a Hibs fan. My mate described it as a ridiculous obsession with a 4-4-2, that he refuses to change even when it's clear it's not working and doesn't suit many of the players. Which, sounds familiar.

It’s just funny because that’s not what he set up at CCM. Far from it, so I was surprised to read from a hibbie mate that he appears wedded to it. 
 

I did actually have a thought the other day whether we should bring glass back but with the right back room staff this time. But maybe that’s because being a dons fan is fucking miserable at the moment.

[RicoS321]

48 minutes ago, manc_don said:

It’s just funny because that’s not what he set up at CCM. Far from it, so I was surprised to read from a hibbie mate that he appears wedded to it. 
 

I did actually have a thought the other day whether we should bring glass back but with the right back room staff this time. But maybe that’s because being a dons fan is fucking miserable at the moment.

I think people are giving Glass credit where none is really due. Mainly because he once got a draw at the Huns as far as I can tell. He was completely wedded to playing Bates out of position, despite it being obvious for months that he was struggling, and continually tried to play out from the back when the opposition could see it a mile off, so the similarities with Robson (and Goodwin) are fairly clear. If we had the right backroom staff, I suspect we'd be getting more from Robson, and would have Goodwin too. Pretty much any club where you hear the "manager X is doing the same thing every week, even though everyone can see it isn't working" is missing managerial accountability. Someone to stop the manager and make them explain themselves, and question themselves continually. I'd actually argue that Glass had the most accountability, as he had a team of tactics and specialist people who likely questioned him regularly (and I think that showed on the pitch in some respects and is probably why Glass seems to be the guy we think we might have missed something with), but it wasn't at the right level, in my opinion, to have an effect.