Next manager

[RicoS321]

1 hour ago, tom_widdows said:

Willie Miller had some choice words about it.

Im wary of anyone outside of medicine who's main job title includes the word 'consultant'

Its up there with adding 'with management' to the end of a university degree

As a consultant myself, I can confirm that all consultants are charlatans looking to charge a fortune for stating the fucking obvious. The fucking obvious, to everyone apart from the guy in charge who doesn't trust his employees. It helps the consultant immensely when those employees are yes-men, too frightened to question the boss.

[Panda]

If he comes in and gets some results like Robson did, and the media begin their campaign to get him the job permanently, do we bow to pressure and do just that? That doesn't strike me as sticking to this club philosophy we're supposed to have.

Or is Warnock part of selecting the next manager? Because the Brexit voting Neil "I couldn't even get the job ahead of a Latvian (sic), if I can't get the job ahead of a Latvian what chance have I got" Warnock isn't the type of guy I want recommending the next boss to our board.

He's an odd choice. I fear he's the wrong choice. And I really don't see why we need another long-term interim. 

But, I can't help but be intrigued.

[tlg1903]

No

Just fucking no

The only thing that cunt knows about Scottish football is how to blow smoke up the huns arses.  

 

Fuck off

[RicoS321]

It's the complete subservience to the English game that we have up here that puts Warnock anywhere near the frame. He's managed in England! Big clubs! Big name! As if management is in any way similar to playing. It is entirely possible that that a joke manager is a joke manager wherever he goes. Fulfilling this wanker's faux dream to work in Scotland (as if Scotland is one homogeneous place), because he sometimes has his holidays on the West coast. It's fucking embarrassing. I'd far, far rather have John Hughes. At least he's a joker who knows Scottish football. I'd far, far rather we kept Leven in place than any no-mark interim tosser.

As for the consultants that will come in and cream us, who are they reporting to? Are they going to be telling Gunn*, for example, that he's actually the problem? Or: Cormack, you're interference in club matters creates an issue? They'll basically come in and ask the staff already there what they think would improve the club, re-word it, sanitise where necessary (in order not to criticise the people that need criticised, who also ensure ongoing consultants fees) and pass it back to Cormack. 

It's all a touch shambolic.

*I keep picking out Gunn, when I don't really know much about the guy. I believe that something better should be coming from his role, but it could be that his role isn't really what we think it should be, so not a slight on the guy himself.

 

[Jute]

Bringing in Warnock and consultants is just chucking away money that we could be spending on the squad this summer. As Rico said are the consultants really going to tell Cormack it’s his choices of Director of Football and Chief exec that are part of the problem. I seriously doubt it. Warnock is just in it for the cash and will say whatever he thinks will keep the money coming in. His record is always spun positively by the media because he’s good for a quote and interview when in fact his record is not that great at all. A lot of emphasis on his promotions from lower leagues and his relegations from top flight completely ignored. I really just don’t get why we are doing this. 

[RicoS321]

13 minutes ago, Jute said:

I really just don’t get why we are doing this. 

It's because Cormack genuinely appears to think like (or take advice from) the thick cunt down the pub. The ex-fitba pundit who says absolutely nothing worth hearing. Of course the media will fawn over big name celebrity from England, in the pathetic, obsequious fashion they do. We're the ones that are stuck with England's Mark McGhee though. 

[Kowalski]

I think it’s a good move getting Warnock in until end of season. I can see him trying to stick it to the Infirm and I think the players will get a rocket up their backsides.

It’s a refreshing change from going down the usual “someone who knows Scottish football” route - a route that’s taken us absolutely nowhere since McInnes. 

[tlg1903]

I've not been as depressed by a managerial appointment since Alex Miller 

[Elgindon]

Am not averse to the idea now.Might get a laugh for a few months,...he might help sort out upstairs while hes at it.As long as we're stll looking or have someone in mind for next season

Edited February 4 by Elgindon

[Jute]

25 minutes ago, Elgindon said:

Am not averse to the idea now.Might get a laugh for a few months,...he might help sort out upstairs while hes at it.As long as we're stll looking or have someone in mind for next season

Can I suggest comedy clubs if you want a laugh rather than us employing a lower league manager like Warnock’ for his banter filled press conferences.

[OrlandoDon]

Interesting approach if its warnock. Would have taken him over glass or goodwin at the time, my only concern is age. Guy clearly has experience and contacts, i see him in a similar role to brown hopefully who laid the foundation for mcinnes. The more I read, I’d really like to see Alex Neill come in, similar to mcinnes background when we hired him, if not better. I think he publicly said during previous searches that he wouldn’t come north, but his stock is maybe lower since then.

Warnock buys us time to do a bit of a football audit, given the managers and transfers since mcinnes, the audit makes sense. I like cormack, it’s the yank in me, always have said that. he’ll get criticism regardless of what he does, I think what we are doing makes sense.

Edited February 4 by OrlandoDon

[OrlandoDon]

20 minutes ago, Jute said:

Can I suggest comedy clubs if you want a laugh rather than us employing a lower league manager like Warnock’ for his banter filled press conferences.

The guy is entertainment for sure, a bit too much, but much like Hodgson, he’s been there done that. That has value. We need an old head short term, the young approach since mcinnes hasn’t worked. As long as he’s not our long term solution he buys us time to step back and look at the bigger picture.

theres not a stand out candidate, who would you hire right now? Having a few months to provide a stronger solution, both in manager and possibly the restructuring on the football side, helps.

[Elgindon]

26 minutes ago, Jute said:

Can I suggest comedy clubs if you want a laugh rather than us employing a lower league manager like Warnock’ for his banter filled press conferences.

A break from the usual Scottish merry go round for a few months would be welcome IMO. Agree with Orlando above.I like Cormack too,still relatively green in football Chairmanship terms.Making mistakes,but not afraid to try,so the stick he gets is a bit OTT,he's about as good as we can ask for compared to folk that currently or want to run a club

    Neil is my current choice,not sure he's interested though.One of those Scandinavians if not...Knutsen,Thelin etc

Edited February 4 by Elgindon

[tom_widdows]

First time i can recall seeing warnock and his 'attitude' (skip to 30seconds in)

https://youtu.be/5Gi7ykaD5Pg?si=17wFvh3QgWdihxi2

Edited February 4 by tom_widdows

[Panda]

3 hours ago, Kowalski said:

I think it’s a good move getting Warnock in until end of season. I can see him trying to stick it to the Infirm and I think the players will get a rocket up their backsides.

Our previous managers were capable of a "rocket up the backside". Scott Brown and Graeme Shinnie have been in that dressing room. Our issues I don't think are down to a lack of work rate. Tactically is where we've failed.

As for "sticking it" to Rangers and Celtic. First of all, he adores the pair of them. Secondly, what actually is sticking it to them? Is it attacking football? That's not generally Warnock, I'd be surprised if he doesn't go defensive on Tuesday. Is it getting fired in? He'll soon learn that you can't get away with that v the Old Firm in Glasgow.

Will he be outspoken and call out decisions? Probably. But so are Derek Adams, Craig Levein, even Derek McInnes. What difference does it make?

3 hours ago, Kowalski said:

It’s a refreshing change from going down the usual “someone who knows Scottish football” route - a route that’s taken us absolutely nowhere since McInnes. 

I actually think it's a big risk we're taking.

The whole "safe pair of hands" line people have been trotting out, what does that even mean? Has he never been relegated before? Has his side never been on the end of a scudding? 

Think a lot of people are being bought in by the name and the celebrity. I've yet to see a good reason as to why Warnock stands out as the right choice other than wishy washy platitudes like "experienced" and regular showings of a documentary he did 20 years ago.

Edited February 4 by Panda

[Panda]

15 minutes ago, tom_widdows said:

First time i can recall seeing warnock and his 'attitude' (skip to 30seconds in)

https://youtu.be/5Gi7ykaD5Pg?si=17wFvh3QgWdihxi2

 

Here's Mark McGhee doing the same thing. We lost 3-1.
 

[OrlandoDon]

15 minutes ago, Panda said:

Our previous managers were capable of a "rocket up the backside". Scott Brown and Graeme Shinnie have been in that dressing room. Our issues I don't think are down to a lack of work rate. Tactically is where we've failed.

As for "sticking it" to Rangers and Celtic. First of all, he adores the pair of them. Secondly, what actually is sticking it to them? Is it attacking football? That's not generally Warnock, I'd be surprised if he doesn't go defensive on Tuesday. Is it getting fired in? He'll soon learn that you can't get away with that v the Old Firm in Glasgow.

Will he be outspoken and call out decisions? Probably. But so is Derek Adams, Craig Levein, even Derek McInnes. What difference does it make?

I actually think it's a big risk we're taking.

The whole "safe pair of hands" line people have been trotting out, what does that even mean? Has he never been relegated before? Has his side never been on the end of a scudding? 

Think a lot of people are being bought in by the name and the celebrity. I've yet to see a good reason as to why Warnock stands out as the right choice other than wishy washy platitudes like "experienced" and regular showings of a documentary he did 20 years ago.

Don’t hear anyone being sold on the name and celebrity. I think, from my perspective anyway, there’s no clear stand out candidate, plus as he’s been stated on here, our issues may well come from more than just the manager. He buys us time.

Warnock’s a been there done that manager, he doesn’t need his hand held as we take a step back and assess the situation. He’s hopefully not a long term solution but in this guy there’s not much he hasn’t seen. 
don’t know why you think he adores the old firm, or where he has said he will stick it to them, and you are correct, we’ve failed tactically so we bring in vast experience. I think our league is generally shit, not many good teams. I don’t think it will take a lot to get us back on track, just not from a guy who has never been there before. There is no such thing as a safe hire, he’s just less risk than a Robson, glass, or Goodwin type if you ask me. A young up and comer may have a higher ceiling, but he’s not long term (hopefully.)

he’s never coached in Scotland before, but many have failed who have done so. I don’t think that’s an issue. He’s a media personality, but football is full of those. Does that make him a bad hire?

[RicoS321]

53 minutes ago, Panda said:

Think a lot of people are being bought in by the name and the celebrity. I've yet to see a good reason as to why Warnock stands out as the right choice other than wishy washy platitudes like "experienced" and regular showings of a documentary he did 20 years ago.

Cormack, you mean? He's John Hughes with less experience of the game in this country. Something which you'd absolutely want in an interim manager. 

The problems we have at the moment are mainly tactical. Warnock is a giant leap backwards in that regard. As you say, he's also an old firm arse licking wanker. 

As tlg said, this is the worst appointment since Alex Miller. Reeks. 

[Panda]

37 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

 He buys us time.

But so does any interim manager. And how much time do we really need to find a new boss? Do we really need four months?

37 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

don’t know why you think he adores the old firm,

He has done plenty of interviews openly saying so. He calls himself "A Rangers man". He'll likely walk out to a standing ovation at Ibrox on Tuesday.

Now I don't necessarily think that will affect his ability to manage Aberdeen, but let's not begin with this myth that he will stand up to the Old Firm in a way previous bosses couldn't.

[tlg1903]

He's a bad hire because he was fucking dinosaur football wise as far back as the late 90's.

 

He's a bad hire because he's a fucking hun sycophant. 

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He's a bad hire because he will not do anything to  progress the club in any way, shape or form..

 

That this isn't immediately obvious to anyone within the fan base is as depressing as the appointment itself.  

[OrlandoDon]

As I said, he buys us time because he’s a safer hire than many out there. Nothing guaranteed but experience means something. His job is not to progress us long term but hopefully steady the ship. Don’t get us relegated, get us top 6 and hopefully Europe which is not far away.
Robson kept fucking up and needed help/his hand held. I dont see this old timer needing that while we explore the best long term solution.
perhaps he praised Celtic or rangers in the past, big fucking deal. Here we go down this road again. Mcinnes was a hun, while from Aberdeen Robson is a Tim, etc etc. Maybe he wanted the rangers or Celtic jobs in the past so praised them, who fucking cares. I can’t stand the reaction to Huns, Tim’s, once he’s our guy I expect 100% commitment. Move on.

his job is not to progress the club ffs. His job is intern while we conduct a football audit. Cormack, Gunn (hopefully his replacement or a new structure), and the new permanent manager should do that.

Robson was an up and coming manager who kept fucking up. Played long ball, painful to watch. Mcinnes did in the end too, awful on the eyes. Glass was the opposite but we weren’t good enough to play out of the back. Who gives a fuck that he’s a dinosaur, it’s not his job to change us long term, his job is stability and get us up the table rather than the endless shit we’ve seen of late with the odd good game.

blows my mind the negative reaction. Has he been offered a 5 year contract? I’d understand the reaction is that was the case.

[Panda]

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

As I said, he buys us time because he’s a safer hire than many out there.

Again, what is a safe hire? 

What is "steadying the ship"?

You say Robson needed his hand held and was inexperienced, but actually his interim spell was a success. So why is Warnock as interim so crucial?

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

perhaps he praised Celtic or rangers in the past, big fucking deal. Here we go down this road again. Mcinnes was a hun, while from Aberdeen Robson is a Tim, etc etc. Maybe he wanted the rangers or Celtic jobs in the past so praised them, who fucking cares. I can’t stand the reaction to Huns, Tim’s, once he’s our guy I expect 100% commitment. Move on.

Well done on missing my point. I couldn't give a fuck if he goes to bed wearing Rangers pyjamas.

Someone - was either you or another poster - said that he would "stick it" to the Old Firm.

What is that exactly? And what makes you think he's the man to stick it to them?

13 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

 

blows my mind the negative reaction. Has he been offered a 5 year contract? I’d understand the reaction is that was the case.

It's a risky and bizarre appointment, and is a cop out from the club because the only way they need four months to find a new manager, less than a year after they were supposed to begin a new manager search, would be if they were totally clueless. 

Hiring Warnock is them throwing a bone to distract the dog. 

[redordead]

17 hours ago, RicoS321 said:

As a consultant myself, I can confirm that all consultants are charlatans looking to charge a fortune for stating the fucking obvious. The fucking obvious, to everyone apart from the guy in charge who doesn't trust his employees. It helps the consultant immensely when those employees are yes-men, too frightened to question the boss.

Never a truer word spoken.  Every couple of years in my industry they get in the kids from these consultancies who just left uni and let them restructure things ( usually just sack folk and make the rest do more stuff instead of addressing other issues ) until they realise it's a mess again and do it all over in two years. it also gives management a scapegoat when it doesn't work to save their jobs.

[tlg1903]

14 minutes ago, OrlandoDon said:

As I said, he buys us time because he’s a safer hire than many out there. Nothing guaranteed but experience means something. His job is not to progress us long term but hopefully steady the ship. Don’t get us relegated, get us top 6 and hopefully Europe which is not far away.
Robson kept fucking up and needed help/his hand held. I dont see this old timer needing that while we explore the best long term solution.
perhaps he praised Celtic or rangers in the past, big fucking deal. Here we go down this road again. Mcinnes was a hun, while from Aberdeen Robson is a Tim, etc etc. Maybe he wanted the rangers or Celtic jobs in the past so praised them, who fucking cares. I can’t stand the reaction to Huns, Tim’s, once he’s our guy I expect 100% commitment. Move on.

his job is not to progress the club ffs. His job is intern while we conduct a football audit. Cormack, Gunn (hopefully his replacement or a new structure), and the new permanent manager should do that.

Robson was an up and coming manager who kept fucking up. Played long ball, painful to watch. Mcinnes did in the end too, awful on the eyes. Glass was the opposite but we weren’t good enough to play out of the back. Who gives a fuck that he’s a dinosaur, it’s not his job to change us long term, his job is stability and get us up the table rather than the endless shit we’ve seen of late with the odd good game.

blows my mind the negative reaction. Has he been offered a 5 year contract? I’d understand the reaction is that was the case.

Jesus wept. Safer hire than many out there?  We're you dropped on your head as a kid?  It would certainly explain the negative reaction blows your mind.... 

 

Every single employee of a football club should be hired with the view to progressing the club whether that is playing or non playing staff. This guy will absolutely take us backwards. 

 

I do, I absolutely care that he's a fucking dinosaur.  Don't be shocked to see injuries start mounting up because his coaching methods are prehistoric. This whole thing is a knee jerk reaction caused by the board not being able to handle criticism from a noisy minority.  We would have been much better off keeping Robson until the end of the season than binning him one fucking day before the window closes and thus scrambling to appoint a new manager at the worst possible time to be doing so in the season.  I've stuck up a lot for cormack in the past but this mess is entirely his making and appointing warnock is just going to make it worse.  

[Kowalski]

Jesus wept. I can’t believe we’re getting the “he’s a hun” shite. Much of our past success has involved players or managers who have supported and/or played for one of the Infirm.